Magic

[KingsGM-old]

Was wondering where does Magic ranks among all time rookies in SSBA?

18.5ppg, 6rpg, 8apg, 1.5spg, 50% from the floor.

[PacersGM]

maybe at 18th place  there were better players coming into this league in the early drafts 

[KingsGM-old]

Who? Only Yao, Pettit comes to mind.

[NetsGM]

um...yao wasn't drafted.

[BucksGM]

a lot of rookies have put up good numbers.  Keogan and Gatling come to mind.  Ferry and Petit etc.

Magic's good, but he's not the second coming

[CelticsGM]

I made an overview of good rookie seasons, and Magic is right there.
Not the best IMHO, which belongs to Pettit, Ferry and Mercer, but among the best.

The table below is sorted by PPG, and among all those rookies i'd rank Earvin probably around #5-8
Looking at PGs only i'd rank him below Mercer and ahead of O'Connell, Milner, English and Marquez.
 

Season	Name	Team	Games	MPG	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TOPG	FG%	FT%	3P%
2006	G.Pettit	Nets	82	36.5	25.3	5.5	4.5	1.7	0.6	3.2	.470	.887	.423
2006	O.Ferry	Pistons	82	32.0	25.0	9.2	1.9	1.3	1.6	2.2	.468	.776	.000
2015	Z.Profit	Nuggets	82	34.4	23.4	4.0	2.6	1.6	0.3	2.7	.492	.697	.368
2009	T.Wells	Knicks	64	34.9	22.8	4.4	2.6	1.8	0.4	2.5	.432	.842	.390
2009	V.Keogan	Cavs	73	32.5	21.8	4.5	2.2	1.5	0.3	1.9	.466	.880	.411
2014	D.Laporte	Lakers	78	32.7	21.2	11.5	2.0	0.9	0.7	3.3	.473	.426	.000
2010	A.Berkowitz	Nuggets	79	33.4	20.7	11.2	2.5	0.8	1.6	1.4	.439	.616	.250
2006	M.Mercer	Bulls	82	35.3	20.6	3.6	7.6	2.0	0.5	4.1	.464	.731	.405
2014	R.Roan	Suns	82	34.8	20.6	6.2	1.5	1.4	0.2	3.3	.438	.730	.300
2015	S.Wedge	Supersonics	82	31.3	20.5	9.9	1.6	1.0	1.8	2.2	.472	.639	.000
2008	P.Gatling	Timberwolves	82	35.7	20.3	3.6	3.3	1.1	0.4	1.8	.442	.712	.348
2011	E.Barner	Wizards	82	32.2	19.3	13.2	1.7	0.9	1.9	2.8	.415	.644	.280
2016	E.Johnson	Kings	35	32.5	18.5	5.6	7.9	1.5	0.3	3.3	.493	.795	.320
2015	M.Mitchell	Spurs	80	36.4	18.1	7.6	2.2	1.3	0.7	1.9	.434	.696	.393
2010	B.Shultz	Trailblazers	82	37.2	18.0	6.9	2.7	1.6	0.3	1.3	.450	.701	.333
2015	L.Bird	Knicks	76	29.6	17.5	5.2	2.7	1.0	0.3	2.4	.448	.730	.429
2015	B.Tobey	Bucks	82	28.5	16.9	9.4	1.3	1.1	1.1	2.9	.444	.758	.422
2009	S.Manning	Pistons	82	26.7	16.7	6.6	2.5	0.8	1.0	1.8	.478	.662	.313
2015	K.Dial	Jazz	82	32.6	16.4	9.3	1.9	1.3	1.3	1.7	.430	.802	.000
2006	T.Houbregs	Hawks	72	33.2	16.2	8.9	1.9	1.2	3.0	2.6	.391	.724	.288
2012	C.Phelps	Hawks	75	32.5	15.4	7.7	3.2	1.2	0.3	3.2	.459	.845	.395
2015	M.Cheeks	Timberwolves	82	31.8	15.4	4.3	7.4	1.5	0.3	2.4	.449	.816	.385
2012	J.Tyler	76ers	82	33.7	15.1	11.3	3.3	0.8	1.7	1.8	.453	.522	.224
2011	D.Jonas	76ers	54	34.1	15.0	7.2	4.3	0.9	0.1	2.0	.486	.939	.465
2014	A.Marquez	Knicks	77	34.9	13.9	3.7	6.5	1.7	0.4	3.3	.461	.802	.390
2007	N.English	Supersonics	82	35.2	13.8	3.4	7.8	1.5	0.6	3.8	.455	.812	.410
2011	A.Stocker	Knicks	80	31.6	13.3	12.6	2.8	1.0	1.0	2.3	.446	.481	.357
2010	B.O'Connell	Rockets	82	35.6	11.8	2.6	9.1	1.1	0.2	3.2	.522	.945	.428
2012	R.Milner	Bulls	82	35.0	11.6	5.8	7.7	0.7	0.2	2.2	.472	.810	.449

you agree ?
 

[KingsGM-old]

Below Mercer but ahead of O'Connel? You got be kidding.

[CelticsGM]

you are right.

It should read
1. Mercer
2. O'Connell
3. Magic

Just looked it up, and saw that Barton never was offensive option in his rookie season. Still he scored 12ppg on fantastic percentages and had more assists and less TOs than Magic.

Mercer isn't even debateable, he was all offense the Bulls had back then, with only young Eddy Curry and Griffin there to help him. He had to do it all as a rookie and was main focus of the opponents defense, yet still he had those great statline.

btw, one more rookie I forgot in my list who clearly belongs:

Season	Name	Team	Games	MPG	PPG	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TOPG	FG%	FT%	3P%
2006	E.Griffin	Bulls	80	29.3	16.9	9.8	2.4	0.8	1.2	1.4	.435	.723	.000

 

[KingsGM-old]

Never liked Mercer. He was like Steve Francis, i would rather keep him on the bench. He haven't improved a single team. Shoot first pg with alots of turnovers. Can't get worst.

[GoldenStateGM]

Shoot first pg with alots of turnovers.

And how does that not describe Magic?
Magic is a very, very good player, and unguardable as an A- inside PG, but he is also top 15 in TO's per game....

[KingsGM-old]

Magic has more apg, less tpg's and better % from the field. There's the diference.

[CelticsGM]

Never liked Mercer. He was like Steve Francis, i would rather keep him on the bench. He haven't improved a single team. Shoot first pg with alots of turnovers. Can't get worst.

I know, we could guess from your comment.

But keep in mind that this is the ROOKIE SEASON only we are talking about and that Magic is currently #3 in TOs behind Mercer and English.

It's debateable if we shouldn't rate Milner ahead of Magic as well, since he posted pretty similar numbers apart from the scoring (and Milner too only was #3 offensive option in a couple of sims and mostly no option at all), but averaged just 2.2 TOs.

[GoldenStateGM]

Magic has more apg, less tpg's and better % from the field. There's the diference.

Yes, yes...   And Mercer had a high 3 pt percentage, more points, more steals, and even more blocks...  Not the point.  And I would still much rather have Magic... But...
Accuse Mercer of being a shoot-first pg with alot of turnovers, but Magic is also a shoot first PG with alot of to's.

[KingsGM-old]

Eh, as i said, if you're going to be a shoot first pg, at least do it in a quaility fashion. There's a diference between 7.9apg and 7.6, bewteen 50% from the floor and 46, between 4.1tpg and 3.3tpg. One could say there is not soo much diferences just looking at these numbers but i think they have alots of impact once they're translated into actual game.

[Str8westcoasta]

Nice!

Barton O'Connell with 9.1apg, most ever for a Rookie!

Also, his FG% and FT% are far superior to anyone else on that list!