Future of the Draft

[HawksGM]

I look on nbadraft.net and see in their projected first round that there are maybe 5 players that are ready to play now.  This definitely isn't the strongest draft ever but it compares with some of the FBCB drafts.  I don't think Tyrus Thomas is ready to play now but in a few seasons he might be a stud.  I think that's how these FBCB drafts work.  If you wait on a good player he will probably end up being a great player.

[PacersGM]

this year is possible one of the weakest drafts for nba ready player.
But to compare it with FCB is way off. We are already thinking that someone with C def would be a steal in this draft. 5 sim years ago he wouldn´t even be an IL list guy. I mean it is okay that the drafts aren´t producing allstars but at least there should be some role players. i believe if we continue with the current drafts we will have in 10 years a balanced league again with C defenders. But that would mean every 22 year backup guy now would be a superstar then...

[SpursGM-old]

One of the problems I could see with the old NBA draft approach is that say Bods creates a player named Michael Jordan.  Gives him reasonable attributes and A potential.  If this player never develops (I have seen players have A potential for 5 years and show only 2-3 points of rating increase) then will people get upset that they drafted Jordan but he turns out to be nothing but a backup guard?

Using real NBA names poses some risk if those players never develop as the real life players did.  Someone could draft Hakeem Olajuwon (name & attributes) and end up with Sam Bowie (injuries & underachieving).

[SpursGM-old]

Look closer at some of the players that are among league leaders or awards winners.

Uner (Spurs) 21st pick
Lord (Nets) 7th pick
Max (Raptors) 12th pick
O'Connell (Rockets) 8th pick
Lenard (Celtics)  8th pick

Then some solid players:
Paul Magette (Wizards)  15.2 pts, 11.7 reb, 3.5 blks  19th pick
Billy Joe Kim (Raptors)  11.7 pts, 10.6 reb, 1.6 blks  36th pick
Emanuel Griffin (Celtics) 18.2, 9.8, 1.4   4th pick

Recent first picks:
Barner 18 pts, 12 reb, 2 blks
Tyler  12, 12, 2
Berkowitz  20, 12, 1.5


How many NBA draftees ever hit consistant 18/12, or even 15/10?  There is plenty of talent available it is just locating it (and now you can buy true potential) or developing it.

[KingsGM-old]

I think we already have had this conversations and we all pretty much agreed that program produces only good role players or stars at best, but very rarely a true franchise player.

And second, i don't know why people find it stupid or unfair the fact that we'll actually be able to somehow predict ones career when we draft the guy. Isn't that the scout's job in true NBA also? I mean, you wanna say that people didn't know that Allan Iverson, Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Shaq, Garnett, Kobe Bryant, Vince Carter etc etc wouldn't be a superstars in NBA before they even played one minute of pro ball?

Sure, there were stiffs like Kwame Brown (we can also make a trick or two so the one who's making a players can also make a player better then he actually was so at the end you could regret for passing on the guy cause of his real NBA career etc), Michael Olowakndi etc, but at the end, as someone said, the benefits definitely outweighs the negatives.

Off course, it took one nano second to choose the option no 2.

[NetsGM]

One of the problems I could see with the old NBA draft approach is that say Bods creates a player named Michael Jordan.  Gives him reasonable attributes and A potential.  If this player never develops (I have seen players have A potential for 5 years and show only 2-3 points of rating increase) then will people get upset that they drafted Jordan but he turns out to be nothing but a backup guard?

Yup.  That's why I specifically stated that the quality of a persons attributes will in no way correlate to their real life abilities.  I know this will most likely lead to problems though, but it's really the only way to handle it (the only other way is to try to mimic their impact/development as they did in real life, which would take much of the "chance" out of drafting).

[CelticsGM]

btw, I checked the last drafts and tried to compare REAL FBB drafts with FBCB drafts .

Interesting facts:
2009 (real FFBB draft)
starters: Keogan (1), N.Abdur-Rahim (5), Schmaltz (, J.Robertson (13), P.Maggette (19), Uner (21), (my)Schabinger (22), Hyatt (18)
others noteable: Stan Manning (2), Matthew Marion (3), Houbregs (4), Vince Davies (14)
one franchise player and a handful of good role players.

2008 (real FBB draft)
starters: Gatling (1), G. Boykins (2), Jim Finley (6), Chase Russell (, Elliott (19)
others noteable: G. Schabinger, Strong, Shane Nesterovich, Zollner, Profit, Dench
none of those save for Gatling is more than a better role player and Gatling hasn't done too much eiter despite playing with KG

2007 (real FBB draft)
starters: English (1), Lenard (
others noteable: Dickau (3), Chase Hoiberg (4), Snow, Fox, Stockton, Sapp, J.Duncan, Jeannette (but alos guys like Brent Mercer, Al Garces, Michael Bellamy, Edwin Templeton and Shawn Geiger in the top 20)
two starters, no superstar, let alone franchise player and a couple of mediocre role players. The ratings from this draft look great but it produced nothing of impact.

2006 (real FBB draft)
starters: Houbregs (1), Pettit(2), Griffin (4), Diddle (5), Schenk (9), Havlicek (15), Chamberlain (30)
others noteable: Ferry, Ellis, Hobson, Terp, Del Negro, Nat van Exel, Mikan, Q.Mihm,
One franchise player and some nice role players. Nothing special actually.

So three (4 !!) drafts produced 22 starters. WOW !!!


Compare this to the FBCB drafts:
2010 (FBCB)
starters: Berkowitz, Shultz, Buehler, Brice, Bolinger, Khoury, O'Connell, MAX !, Butler, Sandy Carter, Vice
others: Ruiz, Dickman, Mangrum, Clardy,
hands down the best draft of this league. 11 starters alone so far.

2011 (FBCB)
starters: Barner, Stocker(2), Strait(4), Ramsay(5), Mehta(6), Lord(7),
others noteable: Gerstl, Garcia, Rivery, Reed, Jonas
in line with most better FBB drafts. No superstars but some very fine starters and some role players

2012 (FCBC)
starters: Tyler(1), Gragg(2), Gaylor(4), Phelps(7), Gomes(9)
others noteable: Priddy, Milner, Trump, Adams, James
it's getting worse, and it doesn't look like there will be a lot more to evolve from this draft.

2013 (FBCB)
too early to judge but it doesn't look like there will be many starters behind Siegel, Kent, Davis, Sylvester and maybe Fuqua and Wheat. You don't even get backups from the mid-1st round


So the first FBCB drafts were just fine but they now get worse and worse ... and looking at FBCB perview in depth I did't discover a franchise player who will be coming out in years to come. Some nice talent, true, but nothing to blast us away.

That said, maybe the problem isn't the import to FBB but FBCB after all. Most freshman there have horrible ratings and need to develop at a much quicker rate than in FBB to get even decent, let alone great. If FBCB TCs are similar to FBB it's no wonder we get worse drafts each year.
Solution: Start a new league in FBCB each season to get fresh drafts (now honestly, who really looks at FBCB stats from past seasons)


But I might be completely off target here, too
 

[CelticsGM]

So if I see that right, the # of franchise players coming from the draft is pretty low.

Dirk, TMAc, Duncan, KG, Kirk, Ben, Emeka, LeBron, Earl, Bibby, Yao, AK47,  and so on all have been in FBB from the beginning of the league. These are the franchise players ... and one of those has won the title every year and MOSTLY because of these players.


So maybe, just maybe handmade drafts could finally make up that disparity in talent between original FBB and draft additions ...

 

[KingsGM-old]

And speaking of 1978. How symbolic, that's the year i was born....and the year Larry Bird was drafted. I need to get my pick back and start to tank right now.

[HeatGM]

And speaking of 1978. How symbolic, that's the year i was born....and the year Larry Bird was drafted. I need to get my pick back and start to tank right now.

iew!!!! your old !!!

but i voted for number 2... i think its ok to expect jordan to be a star...just like when nets drafted emeka...we all know his gonna be a star... number 2 option makes this league more fun and realistic...more close to real...

PLEASE DON'T TWEAK the draft...i think its a bad option...

[NetsGM]

um..
1) Emeka wasn't drafted
2) the point is you WON'T know how good somebody will be based on their name.

[SonicsGM]

Solution: Start a new league in FBCB each season to get fresh drafts (now honestly, who really looks at FBCB stats from past seasons)

I think this is an excellent idea.  I am all for this (who cares about the history of the FBCB?)

[SpursGM-old]

So, Bods, how exactly will the draft work now?  We will use real NBA names but will you create/tweak the attributes?  Or will you just take either the FBB or FBCB draft list and change names?

[MagicGM]

please dont mind this post.

restart the league. haha. I want the real Magic roster now. :S 

[RaptorsGM]

Ha, I'd be all for a restart starting with the #1 overall pick