Wolves Position Open

[NetsGM]

I also want to be clear about this.  Nobody other than HawksGM has the save file.  I have the end of year (2018) file from when I was commish, but he's the only one that has new ones.  None of the "Mods" have save files.  We don't all go around sending it to each other. 

In fact, the "mods" don't really do anything, but that's another story.....

Actually, for the most part, we don't have mods.  HornetsGM is mod because he was my co-commish, and Celtics is mod because he filled in for me when I was on vacation (much appreciated)

[BlazersGM]

I dont get it, according to WolvesGM then, commish should be a guy without a team no ???? Of course commish has slight advantage knowing that fact, but its like that in every sim league, i just cant believe you quit because of that.

[WolvesGM-old]

I also want to be clear about this.  Nobody other than HawksGM has the save file.  I have the end of year (2018) file from when I was commish, but he's the only one that has new ones.  None of the "Mods" have save files.  We don't all go around sending it to each other. 

In fact, the "mods" don't really do anything, but that's another story.....

Actually, for the most part, we don't have mods.  HornetsGM is mod because he was my co-commish, and Celtics is mod because he filled in for me when I was on vacation (much appreciated)

well, its also you that made a bunch of draft files if I am not mistaken so you know several years worth of true potentials.  correct me if i'm wrong.

[WolvesGM-old]

I dont get it, according to WolvesGM then, commish should be a guy without a team no ???? Of course commish has slight advantage knowing that fact, but its like that in every sim league, i just cant believe you quit because of that.

not in every sim league.  when i was commish of a sim league i never looked at any of the hidden attributes.  and as far as i know nuggetsgm on here who is the current commish of that league has never looked at a single true potential either.  so it is possible, its just at the discretion of the league/commish.

[NetsGM]

Practically every commish edits draft files before they're posted.  Otherwise you get the worst drafts imaginable.  We ran it that way for a while, and nobody liked it.

And if you think I remember the potential of a single player from 2014, you're insane.

But honestly, if you're that paranoid, then I'm glad you're leaving.  I consider myself slightly concerned with making this a fair environment.  After all, I gave up a team for it to be so.  If you're going to be that paranoid, then you're just going to be a pain in the ass the first time HawksGM has an even minuscule amount of success.

[RaptorsGM]

It's a situation that you just have to accept. If the commish gets a slight advantage from it, well good for him.

It's a catch-22 in that you can't have it both ways. And IMO, it's far more beneficial to the league to be able to check true potentials, even if that means the commish gets to see it too.

[KingsGM-old]

As i said;

FREE POTENTIAL FOR EVERYONE.

[CelticsGM]

i can only speak for myself, but I have no idea about true pot for my own league, despite creating the draft file. I use the RANDOM() function in excel and that creates a true pot number in the second the file is exported to .txt format (which can be imported into FBB).

and bods himself stated numerous times he's doing it in a similar way ...

[RaptorsGM]

As i said;

FREE POTENTIAL FOR EVERYONE.

That's probably the worst idea ever...

That would totally take any random element out of the league. It would make 3/4's of the league's players untradeable.

I like the way it is now, and I think it is a decent replica of the real league in that for an NBA Gm, the more money they spend scouting a player, the better idea they will have of their potential.

[NetsGM]

i can only speak for myself, but I have no idea about true pot for my own league, despite creating the draft file. I use the RANDOM() function in excel and that creates a true pot number in the second the file is exported to .txt format (which can be imported into FBB).

and bods himself stated numerous times he's doing it in a similar way ...

Yup.

I make the draft file in FBB.  Edit current draftees, change name, height, size, weight, college, etc.  To generate attributes, I then enter in their first year stats.  Modify the attributes a little bit (i.e. because 3 pointers were so rare back then, to try to make it more realistic and not have every pg a C- outside shot).  When I'm finished, I export the draft to a comma separated file.

Now, the draft file is finished.  The only thing that needs to be done is potentials randomized.  I open up the csv in excel, then in the true pot column run:
=INT(RAND()*100)
and put that in the entire column.  Save the file, and re-import it back in the league.

I do not view each players true potential as I'm generating the attributes.

[KingsGM-old]

That would totally take any random element out of the league. It would make 3/4's of the league's players untradeable.

No, i don't think so. You see people trading for average players all the time and most of the guys are keepin their top picks anyway. I don't see this having any effect as far as trading is concerned, no way.

I like the way it is now, and I think it is a decent replica of the real league in that for an NBA Gm, the more money they spend scouting a player, the better idea they will have of their potential.

That's just absurd;

1) The majority of teams are spending almost the same money for scouting, from Dallas to Boston. Why? Because they're loaded with cash. Scouting is the major foundation in building a good team, you think there are teams who are being economical when it comes to that? Heck, there are scouts from the Bucks, Clippers, Sixers, Spurs, you name it, all over Europe.

2) Any scout from any team in NBA can buy himself a ticket for a high school or college game. All he needs to is to sit down in the front row and watch the kid play. Can we do that here? No.

[NetsGM]

Ok, we're not going to have an argument on this.  Here's what I'll say:
In the NBA, teams make wrong evaluations on players ALL THE TIME.  Michael Olowokandi for example.  Kwame Brown.  It's a staple of the NBA draft.  This has nothing to do with the amount of $ you spend, that's true.  It has to do with your skill.

The best way to replicate that here, however, is to have some randomness in it.  And randomness does occur in the NBA.  Whether it be work ethic not there, injuries, or players dogging it after they get the payday.  There are things you cannot predict.

So, the best way to get a level of randomness is the true/scouted pot.  And we mitigate that pretty well by allowing you to see the true pot of a select few with your $.

If we have no randomness, then there's not enough to "evaluate" for mistakes to be made.  Sure, you don't know EVERYTHING (jumping attributes, strength, quickness, etc), but you know enough not to pick a bust.  And that's not realistic in the NBA.

Now, this is not the thread for that discussion, so do not post on it anymore.

[WolvesGM-old]

Practically every commish edits draft files before they're posted.  Otherwise you get the worst drafts imaginable.  We ran it that way for a while, and nobody liked it.

Like I said a few posts earlier, that's at the discretion of the league/commish.  We use computer generated draft files in RBSL and they are just fine.  And aside from good PGs being too plentiful, they are fine.

And if you think I remember the potential of a single player from 2014, you're insane.

Once again someone has made a random thought and pinned it on me.  No, I never said or implied that, and I certainly don't think that.  I have no idea how good your memory is and exactly how far back you can remember player ratings.

But honestly, if you're that paranoid, then I'm glad you're leaving.  I consider myself slightly concerned with making this a fair environment.  After all, I gave up a team for it to be so.  If you're going to be that paranoid, then you're just going to be a pain in the ass the first time HawksGM has an even minuscule amount of success.

I'm not sure if you know what paranoid means, but it certainly doesn't apply to me.  Go back in my posts and find one statement that I made which was not factually correct about this league.  Now, look again and try really hard to twist some of words to make it seem that way.  Still nothing?

It's also nice to know that you are "slightly concerned with making this a fair environment".  I hope that is a joke... for the sake of other GMs in this league.  I know that for me fairness is the first priority.

As far as your last comment, it is once again completely unfounded.  NuggetsGM (aka RBSL Commish) has won 3 championships and also drafted the best prospect our league had ever seen at the time.  I believe that I, and most other sane, non-paranoid GMs simply congratulated him on a job well done in each instance because he deserved it.

What you seem to fail to understand still is that I am making a rational decision based on facts (key point here, facts) to leave the league.  But if you want to play the role of jaded ex-lover than by all means go ahead.

You have an excellent league, but you should face the facts that there are flaws in it.  One flaw is that you have an advantage over other GMs.  Most GMs don't care, so instead of attempting to convince yourself and others that you don't have an advantage you should try to focus your energies on improving the league. 

If you think that the league is better overall despite this flaw (that's what most GMs here seem to think) then that is perfectly fine and reasonable.  For me personally, the league becomes needlessly unfair, which is something that I don't choose to deal with.

[WolvesGM-old]

It's a situation that you just have to accept. If the commish gets a slight advantage from it, well good for him.

It's a catch-22 in that you can't have it both ways. And IMO, it's far more beneficial to the league to be able to check true potentials, even if that means the commish gets to see it too.

exactly.  It is your personal preference that the commish having extra knowledge is outweighed by the positives of the true potential revealing feature.  I personally don't like the true potential being revealed, and especially don't like that the commish has a  lot more knowledge that the rest of the GMs.  Neither opinion is right or wrong, it is just each person's personal preference.

[WizardsGM]

It's a situation that you just have to accept. If the commish gets a slight advantage from it, well good for him.

It's a catch-22 in that you can't have it both ways. And IMO, it's far more beneficial to the league to be able to check true potentials, even if that means the commish gets to see it too.

exactly.  It is your personal preference that the commish having extra knowledge is outweighed by the positives of the true potential revealing feature.  I personally don't like the true potential being revealed, and especially don't like that the commish has a  lot more knowledge that the rest of the GMs.  Neither opinion is right or wrong, it is just each person's personal preference.

I hope that bolded part clears things up for everyone else who thought Wolves trying to attack or complain. He has stated multiple times it is only his personal opinion. I think the conversation is good to be over now. Its not really a big deal at all.