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« Reply #45 on: September 07, 2006, 11:25:26 AM »

okay ivan please help me out. i need some of your capspace  Razz
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« Reply #46 on: September 07, 2006, 11:28:43 AM »

okay ivan please help me out. i need some of your capspace  Razz

Sorry, but that would hurt my cap, so that would be a no. I would say the same to the Celtics.
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« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2006, 11:31:04 AM »

ahem, it was NOT the Kings i was referring to. They had no free cap space so i had to take back a contract and it was a master stroke to get that deal done WITHOUT a trade exception. Still marvel at how great i am.

No, some other team i wanted to give Julius Smith for nothing. just to reduce my salaries by 3.75 mio and get below the hard cap, that's all. And they refused, let their free cap space "expire" at seasons end. And that's something I would NEVER do to nobody here, thats why i'm so annoyed.
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« Reply #48 on: September 07, 2006, 11:32:49 AM »

... Still marvel at how great i am ...

... at those contractual stuff, nothing more. Sorry if i sounded aloof or so ...
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« Reply #49 on: September 07, 2006, 11:38:56 AM »

i disagree. every gm should have the right to say i am not interested in such kind of a deal.
from your point of view it made sense to do the trade but the other gm possible thought i gain nothing i need so why should i do it.
this is normal buisness.
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« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2006, 11:40:20 AM »

Hey Z, if you want some help in DJSL I'll take Okafor off your hands to get you under the hard cap...  I got cap-space and I'm sure no else in the league would have a rpoblem with it...  I'll toss in the 2013 T-wolves 2nd as well so it doesn't look fishy...  Smile
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« Reply #51 on: September 07, 2006, 11:40:44 AM »

I agree. It was a very complicated trade financialy wise.

Also, part of the problem lies in a fact that i haven't met with you Vienna. Tom wouldn't have talked to me for days so i saw he was mad at me so i said, what the heck, i'll do the deal for the redemption sake. Smile
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« Reply #52 on: September 07, 2006, 11:42:37 AM »

Hey Z, if you want some help in DJSL I'll take Okafor off your hands to get you under the hard cap...  I got cap-space and I'm sure no else in the league would have a rpoblem with it...  I'll toss in the 2013 T-wolves 2nd as well so it doesn't look fishy...  Smile

If you're gonna add "future consideration" i might be interested. Laughing
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« Reply #53 on: September 07, 2006, 11:46:21 AM »

Tom & I had several discussions to help him get under the cap.  The sticking point in all of was Roof?????  Now in this thread he basically offers to throw him in for nothing.  Also Tom has stated several times how he has "helped" the Kings with trades and planning.

The deals between these two teams over the past season smack of serious self dealing.  It is one thing to be friendly and to even visit in person with each other occasionally.  However the amount of "help" that is reflected in this past series of deals seems excessive.

My two cents...devalued to about 1 1/4 cents.
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« Reply #54 on: September 07, 2006, 11:48:28 AM »

Hey Z, if you want some help in DJSL I'll take Okafor off your hands to get you under the hard cap...  I got cap-space and I'm sure no else in the league would have a rpoblem with it...  I'll toss in the 2013 T-wolves 2nd as well so it doesn't look fishy...  Smile

If you're gonna add "future consideration" i might be interested. Laughing

Ok, you would also owe a 1st round draft pick for every year Okafor doesn't take me to the play-offs and that include the years after he is retired...  Want me to post???
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« Reply #55 on: September 07, 2006, 11:53:26 AM »

  Also Tom has stated several times how he has "helped" the Kings with trades and planning.




It's such harmless things that it's not even funny. It was in the past when i was doing really complicated 3 way trades (Marbury's one, Duncan - Hoffa etc) and he helped me out with numerous implications such as 24h and 60 day rule, matchin the huge sallaries between 3 teams etc etc.

What a joke.
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« Reply #56 on: September 07, 2006, 11:53:41 AM »

and about the "future considerations".

From a commissioners standpoint I don't want to have to do anything with those. If people agree to those i don't care, the trade has to work NOW, thats all i care. So nobody should ever come to me and complain that somebody didn't fulfil his "considerations" as agreed to. I couldn't care less, if you deal with people based on trust that's your business, not the league's.

I've also seen so many bad trades in my "career" that made me think twice if it wouldn't be a good idea to block a trade, but hey, these are all GMs trying to accomplish some goal, either this way or another, so it's not really my responsibility to think for everyone. Only if someone does something that would jeopardize the league in it's existance I would step in.

(but as we see it's hard to draw a line. Is the wholesale of a team a step to hurt the league, to give some other team a huge advantage, or just a quick "reset" to rebuild through free agency. That's why i always ask for a plan in such a case and give the benefit of the doubt more often ...)
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« Reply #57 on: September 07, 2006, 12:01:25 PM »


The deals between these two teams over the past season smack of serious self dealing. 

Oh, and i would really want anyone to show me a single proof where Celtics helped my team, one way or another- I got NOTHING from him in all of our trades (2 of them actually, Celtics is probably the guy i had the least deals in this league)! I just got rid of sallaries, that's all!
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« Reply #58 on: September 07, 2006, 12:12:44 PM »

Tom & I had several discussions to help him get under the cap.  The sticking point in all of was Roof?????  Now in this thread he basically offers to throw him in for nothing.  Also Tom has stated several times how he has "helped" the Kings with trades and planning.

The deals between these two teams over the past season smack of serious self dealing.  It is one thing to be friendly and to even visit in person with each other occasionally.  However the amount of "help" that is reflected in this past series of deals seems excessive.

My two cents...devalued to about 1 1/4 cents.

Roof, Roof, Roof. I'm about the only one that values Roof. I traded him and got him back for nothing from the Sonics. Nobody gives a shit about Roof with this ratings.

But since my frontline consisted of Sampson, Strait and Magloire, plus ancient Doleac, i needed at least SOMEONE to play backup up front, let alone step in for an injured guy. Thats why i tried to hold onto Roof (who i believe is destined for greatness, i confess). I would not have gotten a big man from you in return, just a SF and SG, it would have cost $100 more with the trade exception, plus I would have had to take back a longer salary. Thats why I tried for any other solution first, doug.

In this deal here I used Roof as an example because he is one of 2 expirings i have. But knowing the Kings an their plans Roof (or hickcox) has ZERO value, would take valuable cap space, and is not necessary in the deal since only a pick moves.


And that "friendship" part get's stressed a little bit too much here. We're from neighbor countries, and share some basic principles of how the world should look like so it's a better place for everyone, but that's it. I'm almost as much friend with many GMs here (Spurs, Suns, Pacers, former Nuggets, Blazers, Derek come to mind immediately) and had more or less meaningful discussions with most of them. But I never got accused of using that "friendship" to my advantage. Cause i never would.


And the last I want anyone to believe is that Dirk became a Celtic on "friendship" alone. I tried to trade for Dirk (or TMac, even Marion) for many years, and made about 30 offers for any of these three, all declined. And saw all these guys go past their prime and become less valueable, as were their respective teams. In the end I got my stars and they led me to a 5th seed and 1st round exit and are 36 now. So I have gotten Dirk for less that I initially offered for a "star" 3 seasons ago, but i also didn't get the Dirk from 3 seasons ago.

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« Reply #59 on: September 07, 2006, 12:52:40 PM »

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