Kings - Celtics

[KingsGM-old]

Kings trade

#21 pick inthe draft (via Memphis)


Celtics trade

nothing or expiring

I took a short look at the rest of the players and i just don't see anything left. I don't need that sallarie.


*Note; If the Celtics doesn't show up before the draft any team can have this pick for free. Just post it and i agree.

[HeatGM]

I'll take it if the celtics doesnt want it 

[BlazersGM]

dammit, i offered you next years pick, now you're giving it for free

[GoldenStateGM]

Wow, if you are offered an obviously better deal, this smacks of collusion...

[NetsGM]

Probably is collusion.  Probably is that 'future considerations' they talked about in one of those deals and I told them both is not allowed.  But you know what?  I don't care.  The remaining draftees stink.  Is Roy Hamilton going to shift the balance?  Nah, probably not.

[CelticsGM]

Kings trade

#21 pick inthe draft (via Memphis)


Celtics trade

nothing or expiring

I took a short look at the rest of the players and i just don't see anything left. I don't need that sallarie.


*Note; If the Celtics doesn't show up before the draft any team can have this pick for free. Just post it and i agree.

Celtics accept that pick for nothing deal.

Since the FA is all you have to field a team next seaosn I won't burden you free cap space with a (for you) useless expiring like Roof or Hickcox. Any $ can help you more and those guys can be easily signed from the waivers too.

@Blazers: He felt a late first next year (hey, you were in the SSBA finals least you forget) wouldn't be the answer, as it gets you an even worse player than this season at a 4yr contract. And the trade value of late first, we all know about ...

@Warriors: ... that's why it's not a "better" deal.

@Derek: No, the "future considerations" we talked about in the Bibby deal was that I pay the full amount for the Del Negro contract reduction, which I would have done immediately had i known that i could spend reg season money I didn't have already (like the Spurs did). So that $100 is was short then will be paid by me, that's only fair (and as I know now could have been done right away)

[PacersGM]

such trades shouldn´t be allowed here imo
even if some think the draft isn´t deep enough a first like that can always produce something.
at least get some money for your first. i am sure someone(heat, blazers) would have paid 50 for this pick.
and celtics i am still waiting for the future considerations on the dirk deal.
if there are none that would be now the 3rd trade in a row where ivan get practical nothing for his players. I know Ivan isn´t that bad 

[PacersGM]

Kings trade

#21 pick inthe draft (via Memphis)


Celtics trade

nothing or expiring

I took a short look at the rest of the players and i just don't see anything left. I don't need that sallarie.


*Note; If the Celtics doesn't show up before the draft any team can have this pick for free. Just post it and i agree.

@Derek: No, the "future considerations" we talked about in the Bibby deal was that I pay the full amount for the Del Negro contract reduction, which I would have done immediately had i known that i could spend reg season money I didn't have already (like the Spurs did). So that $100 is was short then will be paid by me, that's only fair (and as I know now could have been done right away)

that is like saying yea i know it isn´t allowed but who cares other did it also.
we all know that future consideration aren´t allowed so if you don´t have the money you can´t make a deal. Only exeption imo should be you can add the DC money up to the date of your trade. SInce this is a money you know for sure you will get.

[CelticsGM]

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Only exeption imo should be you can add the DC money up to the date of your trade. SInce this is a money you know for sure you will get.

which a) it was at that time and b) i knew i would get it

but it wasn't stated in the rules that you can spend it before it's actually assigned, thus having a negative balance (only the Spurs found it in some earlier bods post)

[PacersGM]

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Only exeption imo should be you can add the DC money up to the date of your trade. SInce this is a money you know for sure you will get.

which a) it was at that time and b) i knew i would get it

but it wasn't stated in the rules that you can spend it before it's actually assigned, thus having a negative balance (only the Spurs found it in some earlier bods post)

i would call that a good GM 

[PacersGM]

there is a difference between finding out something is allowed and making future commitments because you thought it won´t be possible.

[CelticsGM]

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if there are none that would be now the 3rd trade in a row where ivan get practical nothing for his players. I know Ivan isn´t that bad 

He checked the available draftees and didn't like anyone. And didn't want to take a bad future pick. Sure he could have orchestrated a pick for money deal, and i'm sure if he had a few days he would. But the draft is in a few hours and knowing him he won't be online much before then.

deal #1: Dirk for Shard. Dirk averaged a career low 18/6/3, no D and is 36 now. Shard averaged 16/7/3 and better defense and is 34 now. Plus Shard expires and Dirk makes another 100mio. Even without that "future" stuff this isn't the worst deal i've seen.

deal #2: Bibby/James for DelNegro/Julius Smith. So i've gotten the better in this deal with Bibby? Have you checked this shadow of his former self lately? Smith is the best player in this deal next season, you'll see.

and #3 we discussed enough.

[HeatGM]

i would pay money for that pick  last season i got ladon at 24th pick in the 2nd round and got 2.5bpg off him...im sure with a little luck you could find something 

[PacersGM]

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if there are none that would be now the 3rd trade in a row where ivan get practical nothing for his players. I know Ivan isn´t that bad 

He checked the available draftees and didn't like anyone. And didn't want to take a bad future pick. Sure he could have orchestrated a pick for money deal, and i'm sure if he had a few days he would. But the draft is in a few hours and knowing him he won't be online much before then.

deal #1: Dirk for Shard. Dirk averaged a career low 18/6/3, no D and is 36 now. Shard averaged 16/7/3 and better defense and is 34 now. Plus Shard expires and Dirk makes another 100mio. Even without that "future" stuff this isn't the worst deal i've seen.

deal #2: Bibby/James for DelNegro/Julius Smith. So i've gotten the better in this deal with Bibby? Have you checked this shadow of his former self lately? Smith is the best player in this deal next season, you'll see.

and #3 we discussed enough.

dirk for shard is one of the top 3 worst trades ever imo 
where is the sense to resign him, there was no need to resign him (to 100mill) and just get an aging guy who is not even half the guy dirk is.
again at least money and picks should have been in. you couldn´t offer him that still he took the offer .... strange..and you call that a good trade... even more strange 
2nd trade yes you got the better in this deal. you avoided hardcap violation and second i am pretty sure ivan doesn´t resign smith. so again where is the sense for ivan? we all know he isn´t interested in a PG like smith (no real name  )
and 3rd trade is possible the best part
you can´t convince me that there is no better option than just give a pick away for free. forget about the more days reason he started it already 2 days ago and had already 3 guys who would take the pick ( even for money i guess).

[CelticsGM]

maybe my english isn't good enough, you didn't understand

deal 1: I NO SAID GOOD DEAL BUT I SAID NOT WORST DEAL EITHER
First get the facts straight, money WAS involved, i paid $450. Plus talks started AFTER Dirk was resigned for 120mio and had to be dealt within 24hrs. He didn't spark too much interest (as I later had to find out myself around the deadline), and one other offer came after we had posted the deal.

deal 2: Complete bullshit you are talking here. That I moved below the hard cap has NOTHING to do with the value of the deal. (only a strange mind can come up with stuff like "if the other one's desperate you always have to ask for more" as a basic negotiation principle). And that he doesn't resign the best player in the deal doesn't make the deal worse. Please, you are getting ridiculous recently ...

deal 3: count me as one of those 3 negotiating for some days, and one more backed off a $$$ deal after seeing who was left on the board after #20 (or rather who wasn't)