Knicks resign

[CelticsGM]

Again, tanking IMHO means to play your lesser guys to get a good pick AND still have a good team to go with the following season. The Kings have NO TEAM, just a high pick.

Could we end this fruitless discussion?

[WizardsGM]

Again, tanking IMHO means to play your lesser guys to get a good pick AND still have a good team to go with the following season. The Kings have NO TEAM, just a high pick.

Could we end this fruitless discussion?

The difference is, if he didnt change his DC after injuries, then he wasnt even fielding a full team

[NetsGM]

Our definitions are different then.  My definition is actions (or inactions) for the purpose of losing games.  That describes his season to a 'T'.  I understand moves to clear cap space, moves to acquire future pieces, to get rid of contracts.  All bring value beyond the draft pick.  But ignoring the season has one sole purpose.

[CelticsGM]

Celtics, you're missing the point entirely.  This has nothing to do with trades and offseason moves.  This has everything to do with intention.  His intention was to ensure a shot at Magic.  He's said so numerous times in this thread already.  Not caring enough to post a DC, after injuries and trades, is tantamount to showing your intent to lose as many games as possible.  It's come right from the horses mouth.
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He has said so numerous times but he won't fool me. I know Ivan from all those seasons and I know FBB well enough to know that one rookie, as good as he may be, won't take you anywhere near the playoffs when you have to play him around Boozer, Marquez, Caron Butler and Johnny Duncan.

believe it, the Knicks with BIRD AND MAGIC won't make the playoffs next year.


Apart from the fact he killed all chances at Magic with stupidity, I know that Ivan has prepared his free agency moves already and plans to contend again next year, with or without Magic Johnson ...

[NetsGM]

Celtics, you're missing the point entirely.  This has nothing to do with trades and offseason moves.  This has everything to do with intention.  His intention was to ensure a shot at Magic.  He's said so numerous times in this thread already.  Not caring enough to post a DC, after injuries and trades, is tantamount to showing your intent to lose as many games as possible.  It's come right from the horses mouth.
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He has said so numerous times but he won't fool me. I know Ivan from all those seasons and I know FBB well enough to know that one rookie, as good as he may be, won't take you anywhere near the playoffs when you have to play him around Boozer, Marquez, Caron Butler and Johnny Duncan.

believe it, the Knicks with BIRD AND MAGIC won't make the playoffs next year.


Apart from the fact he killed all chances at Magic with stupidity, I know that Ivan has prepared his free agency moves already and plans to contend again next year, with or without Magic Johnson ...

That's irrespective of whether or not Magic Johnson would be a valuable addition and whether or not he was trying to lose games.  It's nice to know that Kings entire plan wasn't getting Magic Johnson, but that also doesn't mean he wasn't trying to do so.

I also disagree that one player can't set the course.  When I got Tracy, and made a few other good moves, I went from bottom in the league to playoff team in one season.  So yes, the right draftee can set the course for a dramatic turnaround.  And yes, Kings purposefully tried to lose as many games as possible.  I think your friendship with Ivan has clouded what everyone else sees as obvious (including the man in question himself).

[KingsGM-old]

Are we starting nitpicking now or what ?

Can you belive it?!

You are to place your best team on the court.

Lie.

did the Kings play their BEST TEAM?  How can you tell? 

And lies some more. I've NEVER had a lesser player in a starting lineup. In just a few DC's i made this season ALL of my "best" players (Bibby, Piterus, Lewis, Haywood, Parker, Collison) start or played alots of minutes. This is absolute BS.

Ivan "not caring" about the Kings

Yes, it's a big problem. If i'm not active (although i had absolutely no reason to be so this season) that's called "not carryin for your team" while commish has absoluetly no problems with the fact that we haven't seen a post in more then 3 or so seasons by the Lakers, Wizards or his brother (i hope you won't take this personally) WolvesGM whom i can't recall when was the last time i seen him.

But yes, it's a big, big problem when KingsGM does that (although is not true, i made some trades, threw a comments here and there and etc).

The rules stipulate possibly losing your first round pick with an extreme of being replaced in the league

Feel free to do so. As i said, that seems like your wish for quite some time. I'm not going to sit here and beg for forgiveness for the things i haven't done and this false and ridicilous accusations!

[RaptorsGM]

To add another voice to the arguement, I totally agree with Bods here. It's not right to have teams losing on purpose.

It wouldn't stand in the NBA, and we have always said we try to remain as close as a sim league can be to the real thing.

[CelticsGM]

This has nothing to do with a friendship, I would tell you the same about any other GM here.

I see a plan and as much as I believe it's not working (you can't buils a team soley through FA and one pick ... just my believe) I will watch it with amusement.

If this "disgusting" team management goes on for another season then I would second every move, but I don't see any necessary action to be taken now.

[NetsGM]

I've NEVER had a lesser player in a starting lineup. In just a few DC's i made this season ALL of my "best" players (Bibby, Piterus, Lewis, Haywood, Parker, Collison) start or played alots of minutes. This is absolute BS.

So when players get injured, and you don't replace them, that's fielding your best team?  When you make a trade and don't adjust your lineup, that's fielding your best team?  Horse shit.

Yes, it's a big problem. If i'm not active (although i had absolutely no reason to be so this season) that's called "not carryin for your team" while commish has absoluetly no problems with the fact that we haven't seen a post in more then 3 or so seasons by the Lakers, Wizards or his brother (i hope you won't take this personally) WolvesGM whom i can't recall when was the last time i seen him.

1) Keith has missed 8 check-ins in 5 years.  That's less than 2 per year.  He holds onto his players too long, but he's here.
2) LakersGM has been discussed many times, both in public and private.
3) I've never had a problem contacting WizardsGM.

But, this isn't about activity.  This is about tanking.  Your lack of activity managing your roster shows your INTENTIONS, intentions you've admitted to as 'why should I care?'.

Feel free to do so. As i said, that seems like your wish for quite some time.

When in doubt, cry that you're being unfairly persecuted.  Bullshit.  I sent Hawks a very condescending PM about his last Depth Chart, and I like HawksGM about as much as anyone else in the league.  This has nothing to do with who I like and don't like but actions I don't like.  And I don't like tanking in one iota.

But yes, you're unfairly persecuted.

[NetsGM]

I see a plan

What does having a plan have to do with purposefully losing games? Why can't you have a plan AND hope to lose?  That's exactly what Ivan's doing here, IMO.  Part of his plan is to lose as many games as possible.  And in the future there will be punishments for that.

Before this year, there was no penalty for tanking unless you do it 4x in a season.  It's an oversight I can't believe I missed.  But this, and Ivan's campaign here, will be addressed in future seasons.  This year was a flat-out joke.  From the Kings, to the Heat, to the Hawks, and quite a few people inbetween.

[KingsGM-old]

I think your friendship with Ivan has clouded what everyone else sees as obvious

This has nothing to do with friendship. How many times he went against me on some matters he didn't feel right or when he thought i was wrong? We don't have any absurd clan here if that's what you think.

So when players get injured, and you don't replace them, that's fielding your best team?  When you make a trade and don't adjust your lineup, that's fielding your best team?  Horse shit.

Man, do you even listen to yourself? What? Haywood was injured and wow, i didn't replace him with some garbage, miserable player and that such a big issue?! I mean, have you seen my bench?! It's not like there's Emeka Okafor waiting for his chance! This is just ridicilous.

1) Keith has missed 8 check-ins in 5 years.  That's less than 2 per year.  He holds onto his players too long, but he's here.

Yeah, i forgot all you have to do is fill the check-ins and everyhing else is fine. That's definitely the most important thing to do in sim league. Give me a break.

3) I've never had a problem contacting WizardsGM.

Lol! That's the main condition for stayin in the league!? Oh, i should have sent you couple of emails "Hi Bods, i'm here!", right? What a laughter. Like you didn't know i was here. As i said, double standards.

I sent Hawks a very condescending PM about his last Depth Chart

And you could have done the same thing with me. You didn't. I never got any warnings.

[KingsGM-old]

But ignoring the season has one sole purpose.

There is like 10 times in this thread i explained why i ignored the season and you still stick to your false accusation. I give up.


You know what? If i get Magic in the draft i'll trade him for expiring and a future first, i don't give a shit anymore. I don't want to build a team under a assumptions i was cheatin or anything like that.

[NetsGM]

I'm just going to repeat one quote by KingsGM, and leave the thread.

Or should i just be a hypocrit and not admit that i wanted to lose as many games as possible so i could have a better shot at Magic?

In the future, this won't be allowed.  And that's all I'm saying.

[KingsGM-old]

including the man in question himself

You can question me as a person as much as you want but i challenge you to find one single proof, situation, trade or anything else where i wasn't being fair or straight. I have a pretty good relationship with just about anyone in this league, never insulted or cheated anyone. Ever.

[KingsGM-old]

I'm just going to repeat one quote by KingsGM, and leave the thread.

Or should i just be a hypocrit and not admit that i wanted to lose as many games as possible so i could have a better shot at Magic?

In the future, this won't be allowed.  And that's all I'm saying.

Me being honest is not a proof i was tanking.

Thank you.