Knicks resign

[KingsGM-old]

Well, posting DCs doesn't get you any more or less wins,

Exactly.

I could have posted the dumbest settings and rotations in the history of the league and probably lose a few games more. I guess everything would be ok then?

[NetsGM]

Well, posting DCs doesn't get you any more or less wins,

Exactly.

I could have posted the dumbest settings and rotations in the history of the league and probably lose a few games more. I guess everything would be ok then?

Nope.  We've got two people already marked down as tanking this year.  And now we've got completely revamped rules because of it. 

Abandoning your team absolutely DOES cost you games, especially when injuries happen, and when teams make trades and don't have valid roster settings. 

[SpursGM-old]

Bods point....every move (trades, cuts, signings, DC) made by the Kings this year was done with the sole intent of losing as many games as possible.

Definition of tanking...making every possible move to lose as many games as possible.

[KingsGM-old]

Abandoning your team absolutely DOES cost you games

How can you abandon a team when you even DON'T have a team. Please, just please tell, with the best possible DC, settings and everything, how many games you think this team would have won?

every move (trades, cuts, signings, DC) made by the Kings this year was done with the sole intent of losing as many games as possible.

You call that tanking but i just call it a not being dumb as hell. Had stupid, 35 years old Rashard Lewis jeopardized my chances for Magic (although i was 2nd worst team even with him) i would have cut my balls off.

I mean, wow, Kings won 20 games and he should have won 25, that's what really is all about. Ridicilous.

[CelticsGM]

Disagree ...

You can't be considered tanking when you play your BEST TEAM ... which the Kings did regularly (courtesy of the cpu i guess) and which explains how they got 20 wins out of this sotrry bunch.

If you trade you players for cap space, thats your business decision. If you lose many games because of this, thats again your business decision. Tanking, my friends, is NOT giving your best effort with WHAT YOU HAVE. Put your best players on IL or in the outskirt of your DC, THATS tanking.


In reality too, btw. Or you think anyone accused the Knicks of tanking when they started 5 pieces that abolutely didn't fit together ... which everybody could see for a long long time ... or later when they played mainly young guys that probably wouldn't be in the rotation for many other teams? Or was that only because the Knickerbockers didn't have their draft pick anymore ?



Sorry, bods, the Kings weren't tanking, they were completely dismanteling their team to get a quick restart. The did press the reset button early and now have 41.8 mio cap space, just before the arrival of a hard cap that won't allow any big contract extensions anymore. Their other option would have been mediocrity for a couple of seasons and rebuild the standard way (Hawks anyone ?). Did they make their team weaker and weaker over the season? Maybe, but they won 11 games before the AS-break and 11 games after that. Did their lineup look like a complete disgrace? Probably, but look who they still beat.

If anything, that was clever GM'ing what they did to get a top team again in a hurry
 



I'm not sure what exactly you try to prevent now with a rule ...

[NetsGM]

I mean, wow, Kings won 20 games and he should have won 25, that's what really is all about. Ridicilous.

And the difference in that is 3 draft pick slots.  Not ridiculous at all.

rules have been added specifically for your case.  It will be dealt with in the future.  Tanking to lose as many games as possible is not welcomed, and was far too abundant this year.

[NetsGM]

You can't be considered tanking when you play your BEST TEAM ... which the Kings did regularly (courtesy of the cpu i guess) and which explains how they got 20 wins out of this sotrry bunch.

Having to go CPU rec is EXACTLY my point.  It shows their intent.  They didn't care.  What they did in the offseason shows that they were dismantling.  What they did in-season shows that they didn't care.

This discussion isn't about whether or not he should have stuck with his high-priced veterans or cleared the books and started over.  This is about a complete and utter lack of caring during the season.  That's tantamount to tanking in my book.

The point of the regular season is not to get the next draftee.  Showing absolutely zero activity during season (even though he was on the boards) shows a purpose to lose as many games as possible. 

This year, as a whole, was a sham.  There were 4-5 teams that made in-season roster decisions (not trades) for the sole purpose of increasing draft stock.  That's a disservice to the league.

[SpursGM-old]

There were 4-5 teams that made in-season roster decisions (not trades) for the sole purpose of increasing draft stock.  That's a disservice to the league.

Well, we could solve this by going back to the computer generated drafts.  Then there won't be those highly sought after rookies that cause GMs to get excited about losing.

[CavsGM]

There were 4-5 teams that made in-season roster decisions (not trades) for the sole purpose of increasing draft stock.  That's a disservice to the league.

Well, we could solve this by going back to the computer generated drafts.  Then there won't be those highly sought after rookies that cause GMs to get excited about losing.

Why punish the rest of us...? 

[SpursGM-old]

Celts...did the Kings play their BEST TEAM?  How can you tell?  

The CPU rec doesn't necessarily play the best team.  Heck if I keep Sparks off of the IR the computer constantly finds playing time for him...even if it means he is playing PF or SG.

If a GM is trying to play his best team then he will...like the Knicks in the real NBA....try different rotations or try players at different positions.  Trading longer contracts for expirings doesn't imply tanking....I agree that it can be a solid managerial move.  Trading expirings for expirings in order to get lower talent is tanking.

[KingsGM-old]

Having to go CPU rec is EXACTLY my point.  It shows their intent.  They didn't care.  What they did in the offseason shows that they were dismantling.  What they did in-season shows that they didn't care.

Showing absolutely zero activity during season (even though he was on the boards) shows a purpose to lose as many games as possible.

Off course! Why the hell would i care? What? I was supposed to write how Mike Bibby, 38 years old pg, with no trading value, scored 15pts and dished out 7as while i was crushed by 40?! Ridicilous!

The point of the regular season is not to get the next draftee. 

For who? For a contender, a playoff team? Or for a rebuilding team like mine?

Oh, i deeply apologize for being the first bad team EVER who was hoping for a first pick in the draft! What a ridicilous accusations. Yeah, i get it, the only problem is i was the first who said it loudly, that's all. I should have pretended like i care about winning and not being interested in Magic. I could have even won an astonishing 23 games this season that way.

[NetsGM]

And Kings reaction just proves what I don't want.

In the future, you will be penalized.  The rules stipulate possibly losing your first round pick with an extreme of being replaced in the league.  You are to place your best team on the court.

[CelticsGM]

Celts...did the Kings play their BEST TEAM?  How can you tell?  

The CPU rec doesn't necessarily play the best team.  Heck if I keep Sparks off of the IR the computer constantly finds playing time for him...even if it means he is playing PF or SG.

If a GM is trying to play his best team then he will...like the Knicks in the real NBA....try different rotations or try players at different positions.  Trading longer contracts for expirings doesn't imply tanking....I agree that it can be a solid managerial move.  Trading expirings for expirings in order to get lower talent is tanking.

Are we starting nitpicking now or what ?

The opposite of "playing your best team" is "not playing your best team". Can you tell me that the kings were deliberately NOT playing their best team (aka the best they had on their roster)? Did I see Collison or Pietrus or Bibby benched? Not once.

Bods, I agree that he could (and probably should) have pulled a "Celtics approximately 2006", that glorious season where I got 19 wins and gave a tryout to around 125 FA pickups, young wannabees and trade fillers. He could (and should) have changed his lineup weekly, could have lost even more that way (at least I would have tried a lineup of Valdez - Turkoglu - Hayes and Bischoff at least once to see if they are any good). But honestly, as bad as this season was for the Kings, i had one main purpose: CAP SPACE.

The pick is nice and all, but there's no guarantee it will be the top pick (I would be very very surprised if it is), and they will get a nice talent in the draft. But the real season for the Kings starts on FA day 1 when they will be THE major player in free agency and this is all that counts.

Ivan "not caring" about the Kings didn't stop him from creating all that cap space and making more trades than the Bulls, Lakers, Warriors, Jazz and Knicks, all losing teams themselves.

[KingsGM-old]

And the difference in that is 3 draft pick slots.  Not ridiculous at all.

Yes. I should have kept Rashard Lewis and draft some no namer instead of Magic. That would really be a smart move. We should invite GM's from mental institutions from this point on.

This is about a complete and utter lack of caring during the season.  That's tantamount to tanking in my book.

With 3000 posts in my books, numerous topics, articles, trades, contraversials and everything else, i can be anything besides labeled as not carryin for this league.

Showing absolutely zero activity during season (even though he was on the boards) shows a purpose to lose as many games as possible.

As far as this season goes, i really had no bussines to do! I cleared the cap, have no one to trade anymore, no youth to write about, nothing. Only thing i could do is to wait for the draft. I mean, why i would waste my time for nothing? What? I was supposed to spend hours and hours with other GM's tryin to convince how it's smart for them to give me some of their best young players for my 37 year old fossil?! This is not about tanking, it's about not being naive about things when you know you really can't do anything about.

[NetsGM]

Celtics, you're missing the point entirely.  This has nothing to do with trades and offseason moves.  This has everything to do with intention.  His intention was to ensure a shot at Magic.  He's said so numerous times in this thread already.  Not caring enough to post a DC, after injuries and trades, is tantamount to showing your intent to lose as many games as possible.  It's come right from the horses mouth.

There is nothing you could possibly say to convince me that he didn't try to lose as many games this season as possible.  Nothing.  Especially not when he has admitted to doing so himself.

Depth Charts are one of the measurements of league activity.  Have been since we've started.  If you don't care about this season enough to post a depth chart, I will find someone who does.