Vote: 2nd Round Draft Picks

[NetsGM]

The option makes sense when it can be used after the 2nd year during the resign period - thats when teams in any sport make such decisions.

But in the NBA there are provisions that declare what you can and can't offer.  This isn't a re-signing.  That's possible now.  We're talking about extending bird rights.

You have 1st rounders for much less in the 3rd and 4th year as well (from 2.0 to 3.5 mio in the 4th year) - so why charge 4.5mio for a 2nd rounder ???

Because first rounders have guaranteed contracts.  

If you make 2nd rounders 2 year deals starting at 300k with the team option on a third year at such a low price, the 30th pick in the draft becomes infinitely more valuable than the 29th pick in the draft.

[CelticsGM]

If you make 2nd rounders 2 year deals starting at 300k with the team option on a third year at such a low price, the 30th pick in the draft becomes infinitely more valuable than the 29th pick in the draft.

You are completely right. But everyone knows - in real life and in the sim - that the 30th pick IS much more valuable than the 29th pick since you dont have to carry the contract for so long and get roughly the same talent.
(except for San Antonio officials but they live on another planet anyway aka Parker/Gino picks)

But in real life I think its easier to resign those players since the are often grateful for getting a chance making the team and have more "team-based" loyalty than the sim would ever allow.

Now it would be interesting to compare NBA resigns of 2nd rounders who developed good and Sim 2nd rounder swho played good - if there's a significant difference to see. Otherwise i'd approve to keep the system as it is - life is hard sometimes, but so is it in the real world, too. And we sim this real world ...

[NetsGM]

That depends on the teams preference.

There are reasons why some teams might value the 29th pick in the real nba more than the 30th.  There are reasons why some teams might value the 30th pick more than the 29th pick.

In the NBA there are pro's and con's for each.  The pro for the 29th pick (outside of drafting earlier) is that you get him, guaranteed, for 4 years, and have unlimited resources to re-sign him after that.   The con is that you do guarantee that money if he's a bust.

The pro's for the 29th pick is that there is considerably less guaranteed money (as I said, something to the tune of 7.6 million vs .7 million).  The con is that it's much harder to re-sign this player after two years.

That's the way 2nd round picks are built.  If we remove one of those checks, it throws everything out of whack.

[CelticsGM]

That's the way 2nd round picks are built.  If we remove one of those checks, it throws everything out of whack.

I tend to agree here. We would give 2nd rounders way too much emphasis and build an artifical hype that's simply not appropriate for the one or two 2nd rounders each year who make it ...

Bad for the Spurs with a great talent like Bird, but so was it for the real Warriors and Arenas back then ...

[NetsGM]

And Boozer with the Cavs

The biggest detriment I see with the re-signing of 2nd round picks is not being able to offer multi-year MLE offers.  But that's a "bug" that's simply not coded into this program that we can't get around.

[GoldenStateGM]

You are completely right. But everyone knows - in real life and in the sim - that the 30th pick IS much more valuable than the 29th pick since you dont have to carry the contract for so long and get roughly the same talent.

The one advantage the NBA has, and it has been seen more and more often, is that players picked in the mid to high 20's can be stashed somewhere else.  Players stay on their national or league teams, until the drafting team is ready to bring them over.
I think we have seen that more and more with picks in the 20's...

[SunsGM]

i vote that we have an option on the second round picks for a 3rd year, and it should be decided on by the end of free agency the year their drafted.(wheather or not the 3rd year would be picked up.

But i dont think that teams should loose their MLE for that year.

There should be a set amount for that 3rd year (2.5 mil?, 3 mil?) that would make it a little difficult of a decision for teams to make, but at the same time the teams that decide to do so,would still have their mle to use if needed.

just my 2 cents

[RaptorsGM]

Again, I want to reiterate that my vote is for #3 and not for #1.

#1 wasn't an option when I first voted.

[CavsGM]

What I think should be done is just that the salaries for 2nd rounders be changed. Keep it just a two year guaranteed contract, but for something like a total of 2.5 million. So this way, after they expire, in free agency you can offer them at least a decent 2 million or so using the 120% rule.
Is any of this possible?

[NetsGM]

Alright, executive decision time.

My original Idea would have been to be able to add a third year at 6 million.

But for teams over the cap, this would have been a no-brainer.  there are inherent risks for a 2nd round pick.  for a team over the cap, you exercise the 3rd year option, and if it works out, you have his bird rights, if it doesn't, you have a 6 million expiring to trade and it didn't hurt your FA at all.  It also wouldn't be in line at all with what the real NBA did, what our "founding fathers" wanted.

So I'm not going that route.

What I'm going to do is a variation of what CavsGM suggested.  Right now the biggest impediment I see to re-signing your 2nd round picks is that you can't offer multi-yeared MLE contracts.

So what I will do is give you the option of changing the 2nd year of a 2nd round draft picks contract to 3.75 million (instead of the 465k it is now).

This will mean you can offer them contracts after their second year of 120% of 3.75, or starting at 4.5 million, the price of the MLE.  However, for this benefit, it will cost you nearly 10x what the 2nd year of the contract would have cost.

So you either get the option of paying him 3.75 million his second your or 465k.  This will start with the 2009 draft.

[SpursGM-old]

So what I will do is give you the option of changing the 2nd year of a 2nd round draft picks contract to 3.75 million (instead of the 465k it is now).

This will mean you can offer them contracts after their second year of 120% of 3.75, or starting at 4.5 million, the price of the MLE.  However, for this benefit, it will cost you nearly 10x what the 2nd year of the contract would have cost.

So you either get the option of paying him 3.75 million his second your or 465k.  This will start with the 2009 draft.

IMO by making the decision due immediately at draft time, as opposed to after the first TC, gives those teams that are significantly over the cap a definate edge.  The difference between $3.5 mil & 465,000 doesn't matter to teams 20-30 mil over the cap.  But for teams trying to manage their future cap it is a killer....you need to see them go through thier first TC to know if you found a gem or not.

For example...I would never have offered the higher 2nd year to Bird up front.  And I don't think anyone else would have either unless they were so far over the cap that it wouldn't matter.  It wasn't until he improved 4 levels in TC that anyone knew he was a diamond in the rough.

[NetsGM]

That's part of the give/take in the thing though, spurs.  There has to be pluses on both sides.  It's supposed to be a tough decision.  Yes, for teams over the cap it's not a tough decision, but the answer to that isn't making it an easy decision for everyone else as well.

Besides, for teams under the cap, you CAN offer multi-yeared contracts starting at 4.5 million anyway, since you're not bound by the MLE restrictions.  So this doesn't really affect you anyway.  This whole problem was for teams over the cap not able to re-sign their own FA's because they had no clear advantage from every other team in the league, because the "benefit" of being able to offer them 120% of their prior salary really meant jack.

And the reality of the situations is that in the NBA you have to have the terms of the contract stated so from the getgo.  You aren't able to go, "well, we're going to pay you 400k.  But if you work your ass off, we'll change your contract".

[SpursGM-old]

Well, let's change the example using my second from this year, Billy Gates (I just loved that name also).

At this point I am not willing to commit to $3.75 mil because that would seriously eat into my cap next year which I am trying to conserve.  However if he blows up during TC then I would consider giving him the money.  But it would still be a tough decision.....next year's cap vs ability to resign Gates in 2 years.

But if you were to give the same option to, say the Pacers, it is a no brainer.  They are so far over the cap next year that they can take the risk before TC and if the player doesn't develop then it is no skin off their ass.

Most likely this will just be one of those areas where we will have to agree to disagree.

[NetsGM]

It's one of those issues where it's simply a matter of how much can we do.  It's never going to be perfect.  I think this is much better than the current systems.

[SpursGM-old]

That's why I think all it needs is a minor tweak....make the option decision after TC and before the first sim.

But you are the commish and have final say which I will live with.