Pistons - Lakers Trade (day 61)

[MagicGM]

Talent-wise, it makes sense, actually. But I don't know how it helps the Lakers if they are re-building if not contending..

[CelticsGM]

let me ask you all a question:
would you rather have Roy, Diogu (for three/two more cheap years) and Pressey plus 20mill cap space ?
or
would you rather have Bias and his 5yr contract and 8 mill cap space ?


caution: this is a test for your sanity as a GM

[SixersGM]

I just don't see any logical reason why the Lakers would do this trade. Bias is ONLY as good Roy (statistically) but carries a lot of baggage with his low potential and contract. And what's worse is that he added Diogu and a 1st in the mix.

Is it lopsided? I'm not that sure that this trade falls into that category if you look at it at the talent stand point. Because like I said, I don't see any value in Roy and Diogu. But if you look at the Lakers squad, what's disturbing is that he basically traded his most valuable assets (aside from his 1sts), for Bias.

There is a lot of question marks in this trade. But one thing is certain, we certainly need a GM who cares more for his team than the LakersGM.

 

[LakersGM]

exactly my thoughts.

If the worst team in the league gives it's two most promising rookies (and I consider Roy's 19/5/4 and more steals than TOs on the same level as Bias' 18/5/3 on worse shooting %), the preseason league MVP (i don't overvalue that, but still), and reduces it's salary cap space for the next season from 20 mill to 8 mill, then it's a favor, nothing more.

FYI:
Last season, the Lakers posted 4 DC's and one position change, that's it.
This season, his lone post was a trade block: "Currently looking to trade Oakley and Daugherty. Both can go for picks/expiring."
In that context, this deal makes no sense at all, it's exactly the opposite what the Lakers wanted (and should) do.


Waiting on the Lakers explanation why I should put that crap through. And it better be a good explanation. And a hint on a plan. Any why he wants to stay GM for that matter ...


(sorry Pistons, this is clearly not your fault. but when someone deliberately destroys a team's future - one he doesn't look he's interested in any longer - the league has to do something.)

Relax there buddy, I'm not giving you any reason as to why this should be put through. If you want to question how I run a team, look at my Heat roster in SBL, or my Hornets in RBSL.

If you want to cancel this trade because I'm not providing an explanation, you can find yourself a new GM. I've given 4 DC's in 2 seasons? Sorry if it's hard to keep track of the sim's inbetween the 12 week layoffs every season.

[SonicsGM]

I've given 4 DC's in 2 seasons? Sorry if it's hard to keep track of the sim's inbetween the 12 week layoffs every season.

everybody else seems to put in their depth charts on time.

[CelticsGM]

You can't even get a DC in when I give you 12 weeks? Lame ...
 

Anyway, I maybe overreacted with my thoughts of denying the deal here, thanks Hornets and Nets for getting me straight on that. After all, it's the Lakers that have to live with this, and he's a veteran GM (plus, I re-checked - and that has to be mentioned, too - he got draft lists and FA bids in last offseason, so it's not like there's no activity)

So let's get the Pistons a better future here, and see if the present will be suffering.

For the time being, the Pistons will exceed the hard cap with this trade, so their first rounder is blocked from trading and they will face the known penalties ...
 

[CelticsGM]

"the trade would result in the Pistons having too many players"

[PacersGM]

well i still don't like it. and hornets and nets would never do such a trade even if it is talent wise pretty even at the moment. i am sure 95% of the gms wouldn't even find a reason to make such a trade and loose most of the cap space for getting an older player on the downside of his career.

[HornetsGM]

I wouldn't have done the trade if I were the Lakers, but there have been a lot of trades made in this league that I wouldn't have made (including some of my own, in hindsight).

Consider this possibility: the Lakers continue to lose and get a top draft pick who is an impact player. He then will have 3 core guys to build around: Bias, Williams, Pick. Then, if he doesn't resign any of his players, he can offer a near-max contract to an FA. That nets him 4 quality players and puts the Lakers in contention for a title.

Is that likely? Probably not, but it's worth a shot if he's sick of losing.

[RaptorsGM]

Might be the minority but I'm with the Nets and Hornets here. Looks great for the Pistons, but not hard for me to see the justification for either sides.

[Iverson2Korver43]

well i still don't like it. and hornets and nets would never do such a trade even if it is talent wise pretty even at the moment. i am sure 95% of the gms wouldn't even find a reason to make such a trade and loose most of the cap space for getting an older player on the downside of his career.

How can you say Bias is on the downside of his career???  So are you telling me all players peak the 1st year after their rookie contract???  That just doesn't make sense...

[Iverson2Korver43]

"the trade would result in the Pistons having too many players"

Pistons Trade
Len Bias
Billy Joe Van Horn

Lakers Trade
Paul Pressey
Brandon Roy
Ike Diogu
76ers 1st

[LakersGM]

"the trade would result in the Pistons having too many players"

Pistons Trade
Len Bias
Billy Joe Van Horn

Lakers Trade
Paul Pressey
Brandon Roy
Ike Diogu
76ers 1st

Agreed.

[LakersGM]

Ok, I will provide my reasoning here...

1) I hold little value in Diogu. He'll never start, he's one of those players you can pick up with the LLE in free agency that'll help with depth purposes.

2) At 21-9, the 76ers pick holds little value to me. I'll pick up a marginal rotation player late in the draft, and be on the hook for 4 years with that contract.

3) Pressey was signed strictly so I can proceed to deal him. Would I get value for him should I had shopped him? Perhaps.  But considering the 'fire sales' that happen in this league...how much could I get for him at 32 years old?

4) Yes, Roy is young. Yes, he's signed for the next 3 years, and yes, he can score. However, I've seen little progress with him. Will he get better? Perhaps...but I don't see him getting significantly better anytime soon.

5) I do really like Bias, he's got good offensive/defensive ratings...and produces. He's only 28 years old as well.

6) If I can trade Daugherty (which I think I may be able to), and get some value for players like Oakley and Robinson...I'll still have a significant amount of cap room.