SSBA

... I assume, since i was posted it would happen on Saturday.

Any update on the schedule? Any news on how many preseasons we will have. Anything?

Don't worry if you have got time for simming, but please LET US KNOW.

I agree, delays are fine as long as we are being kept in the loop.

Zzzzz.......

agree why should we even worry about a schedule if only 3 gms care  :(

well, you see a lot more online but nobody dares to post his displeasure/desire here ...

C'MON GUYS, WAKE UP !!!
THIS IS ABOUT TO GO DOWN THE DRAIN !!!

Well, on closer looking, it's not.
 :bounce:


These GMs have been online during the last 12 hours:
Celtics, Pacers, Nuggets, Kings, Suns, Spurs, Wizards, Cavs, Knicks, Heat, Warriors, Clippers, Magic, Nets, Pistons, Sonics ... and Raptors (despite the massive handover from turning 21 yesterday)

These GMs have been online during the last 24 hours:
The 17 GMs above plus Bucks, Jazz, Hornets, Mavs, Rockets and Sixers.

The Blazers have been on 2 days ago.

Making that 17 hyper-active GMs, 6 active GMs, one semi-active GMs and one missing Commissioner and simmer.
 :cheers:

The rest of the teams (Grizzlies, Lakers, Bulls and Wolves) apparently run on cpu control as of now, might be the time to do some recruiting since the new season is about to kick off ...

Yeah, yesterday i had a long deserved 1 day brake from internet :p

Lots of barbecue and coctails :)

I think most of us are still here, but I don't keep track of everyone's schedule.  But hey, if HawksGM is swamped, there are others around here who are certainly active enough to run the sims.

massive hangover AND had to be on the construction site at 630am but still managed to check in before work...now that's commitment  :tup:

Youre calling me 'just' active or semi-active GM ?  :bash: :moon: :cheers:

Blazers I would call you "just". I hired you in my other league, you checked in twice, didnt do anything and then were never seen again. lol   :screwy:

we should have a more dedicated commish....hawks gm was only in SSBA for only a couple of seasons before promoted to commish....

i vote we wait until we here the reason for the long layoff before we start to point fingers or jump to conclusions...


any number of things in life can pull you away from the internet for a few days

Agreed. he is only 2 days late so far, its not like we've been waiting a week

i participate as much as i can...i have 24.5 credits right now and midterms, plus my bday was yesterday too :bash:

nice we are june 17thers

hey, congrats alex. Guess it's 23 years of age then?
Anyway, around that age all hangovers are 100% acceptable ...
 :tup:

I just got a message from HawksGM. He told me that the only way we're going to continue this sim league if all the GMs would agree to increase Dr.J's inside from 80 to 98. And his Defense from 85 to 95. I hope everyone's ok with that.

don´t open Pandora's box

you know there is a certain gm who would love to have all his players ratings increased because they played better in real  :lmao: :lmao:

but serious if it would help i offer to do the sims till the hawksgm can do it again.

Yeah, i agree. Having 5 top 5 picks in the lineup and not being able to make the playoffs is way more realistic.

We should have a Celebration of Mediocricy Day here with you as a vice president.

tomorrow's my birthday...weeeeeeeeeeeeeee  :D

did you ever hear from a team called hawks or clippers or even bulls in the first 6 years of rebuilding in the real nba.
you are the only who thinks that a top 5 pick is automatic an all star or more. in fact more often than not top 5 picks are underachieving their whole career here and in the nba.

You're right. Past several top picks in NBA such as Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Dwight Howard, Carmelo Anthony, they've all sucked. And their teams never made the playoffs.

Dwight just made the playoffs for the first time in year 3, and it was largely because Grant Hill was able to play a full season, and not so much to do with Dwight leading the league in turnovers.

Dwight is also playin with trash so off course he can't do it all by himself. But when you have five top 5 picks in the lineup, and majority of them are already in their 3rd, 4th or even 5th season, then you know, you can at least expect to be a playoff team.

for every one on your list i can find 5 busts... like darko, j will, fizer, brown, curry, dunleavy.....
and not sure if i am right here but charlotte has very high draft picks in felton, okafor, morrison, may, wallace was a top 10 pick?, and can´t make it to the POs even in the weak east?????
also the old vancouver grizz had big country reeves, shareef and bibby and never made the POs.
and bulls had high picks like jwill, chandler, curry, fizer, crawford and we all know they are no at least all stars after 4 plus seasons...

your logic amaze me. first you are talking he is playing with trash for example a former number 2 pick like darko and another very high pick and known veteran in hill.
so after your posts before they had to be in the POs.
but now you swith your logic and post that high picks can be busts and howard had now chance because he played with busts.
hmm what would kobe and LB call their teammates after such a logic.

As i said million times, if you're an idiot, and take a complete no namer such as Darko Milicic over people like Wade or Carmelo etc, that by no means is a sign of a weak draft. JWill was injured so you can't call him a bust, Brown is a gigantic mistake by Jordan and Curry ain't that bad at all. He could be a very valuable player on a right team.


First, the majority of these players are just rookies or sophs. Plus, majority of them were injured last season. They're definitely going to be a very nice team in the near future.


Reeves - career ending injurie. 2 man alone, specially so young aren't enough in the tough west. I don't have 2 high picks, i have five, FIVE! And some of them are already veterans!


Those players were either injured or traded. How do you know Bulls wouldn't have been a playoff team had they kept that core together?

You obviously can't count 2 and 2. I already explained my thoughts on Darko (read above) and this line of yours is just too much for me;


Yeah, when? Before 17 years and with 8 ankle surgeries behind him. :rrofl:

do we now talk about the quality of gms picking or just about top 5 picks not turning out like they should. you always can miss with a pick in the top 5. i am sure in the last 20 years no one in the top 5 would be drafted again in that order if you draft them now and know their future. At the time of darkos draft there was absolutly no one who would have taken wade over darko. most believed wade would fall to the bulls at 7.
yea and how long do they play together and lets be honest 2 of the 3 are at best role players. 1 isn´t even a starter.

they played together long enough. fizer is already out of the league, chandler and curry might be something in 5 years but like you said after 4 years they should be better. crawford is a nice player if you like watching countless shots but after several seasons we all knew now he never will be more than a good bench player.
If you count the last 8 years the bulls had something like 10 top 10 picks and only 2 maybe 3 are good enough to be called all stars soon.

I don't know why you bother arguing with him.  There's logic, then there's KingsGM.  Just accept that they're not the same and move on.

maybe i needed at little action here.. :)

*lol*

well, at least I can understand his request. when you draft certain names, and even if they are "only" created throught their statistics, you have certain expectations, since it can be expected these statistics are sometimes accomplished too (like when Bird got drafted this season in DJSL you expected more than the 9/9 on 36% he put up in preseason)

but

people need certain surroundings to maximise their potential. Look at the Kings more closely. The have a pure shooter in Short who should get the rock a lot (but only takes 8 shots a game), they have a C and PF in Bill and JBC both taking around 15 shots a game (shooting in the low 40ies), they have Magic shooting 13 times and they have Bird shooting 17 times. Overall the Kings are 6th worst in shot attempts, not just the greatest stat when your defense is a weak link and outscoring the opponent might be the best strategy.

This is FIVE offensive minded players ... and no way any of these can ever score like 25ppg on this team.
They do get to the line a lot, but 3pt shooting is atrocious, 3rd worst in SSBA.

So IMO this team is not only missing a few role players to do the diry work, the Bruce Bowens of the league, but also game settings to maximise the output. This team is young and full of scorers, it should run the opposition into the ground ...

:-)

The moral of the story is...............





Tom Chambers>>all

Darko was a COMPLETE RISK. He wasn't even a name in Europe! Hell, Blazers could pick me instead of Oden and say "fuck, this draft is a complete garbage!!" Get it?








Even if that's true, can you name ONE other team in the last, like 25 years, that had five top 5 picks in their lineup and couldn't made the playoffs?

Says a guy whose previous top pick landed him a 5 titles. I wonder how many titles you would have won had Garret Pettit sucked. Says a guy whose entire starting five played on a all star level.

What a hipocrisy.

It's not a request. It's a question.

How can you win a title if you have a lineup of #1, #2, #2, #4 and #5 pick in the draft and you can't even make the playoffs? How can you win a title if FA sucks more and more each and every year?

How can you win a title if 90% of the top picks have no impact on the game and you're lucky if you get some scrub through FA who's capable of 10ppg with B- defense?

Oh, and if i have nothing to do with logic can someone answer me a questions i asked like 10 times before and no one gave me a slight answer;

Do we have a new Tracy Mcgrady in this league?
Do we have a new Shaq?
Do we have a new Shawn Marion?
Do we have a new Dirk Nowitzki?
Do we have a new Garrett Pettit?
Do we have a new Emeka Okafor?
Do we have a new Jermaine O'Neil?
Do we have a new Yao Ming?
Do we have a new Ben Wallace?
Who's the next Rafel Araujo?
Who's the next Dwight Howard?
Who's the next Tim Duncan?
Who's the next Kirilenko?
Who's the next Ray Allen?

Damn right you can't answer those questions, cause we DON'T.

But don't bother, i understand. Too much talents could severely damage this league. It is something we should seriously stay away from.

Geez...you all must have sucked big time as players.

And you wonder why i decline your invitations to join back your league?

just because a GM doesn't know how to utilize his players doesn'T mean they are bad.
Bird will easily average 25ppg in his 4th or 5th season, if he is the main focus of the team and has the right supporting cast.

Look at what Kobe, TMac, Jermaine and a lot more averaged in their first 2-3 seasons in the NBA.

So i knew how to utilize people like Hoffa, Mcgrady, Duncan, Bibby or even Marbury but i can't do the same with Magic, Bird, Chambers, Carroll etc? Ok, if you say so.


He would? How come he averaged pitifull 17ppg last year for the Knicks and 20ppg as A FIRST option this preseason? He needs a proper supporting cast? How come Tmac was simply unstopable playin with the likes of Drew Gooden, Brad Miller and friggin Danny Fortson?


It's Bird's 6th season and he's already 27. How long do i have to wait? Until he's 42? Just 15 more seasons? Great, good to know.

http://www.basketballreference.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=PHI&lg=n&yr=1996
AI (#1 pick)
DC (#1 pick)
Stackhouse (#3 pick)
Clarence Weatherspoon (#9 pick)
Michael Cage (#14 pick)

That's not quite what you're looking for, but it's 2 #1 picks, a #3 pick, and another top 10 pick that won 22 games.
The year before that team also had Sharone Wright (6th pick), Shawn Bradley (2nd pick), Stackhouse (#3 pick), DC (#1 pick), and Weatherspoon (#9 pick) and won 18 games.  That's a 1st pick, 2nd pick, 3rd pick, 6th pick and 9th pick.

2002 clippers had Elton Brand (#1 pick), Olowokandi (#1 pick), Lamar Odom (#4 pick), Maggette (#13 pick), Andre Miller (8th pick), Chris Wilcox (8th pick), Keyon Dooling (10th pick) and Melvin Ely (12th pick) and won 27 games.  That's 2 #1 picks, a #4 pick, 2 #8 picks, #10 pick, #12 pick, and #13 pick.

I could find more, but I have better things to do with my time.


I had one (1) top 5 pick during that time.  The rest of the team was built with FA signings (Okafor, Billups, Boykins, Battier), trades (Dalembert, Dunleavy), or late lottery picks (Lord).  I don't even think Pettit was my most valuable player that team.  Also, I won 3 titles, not 5.

Look at what I did in DJSL.  I was a perennial playoff team, and had Tracy not walked, I probably would have won a title there too.  You didn't see my bitch and whine that my 25/12 PF walked though.

I don't see how you can call me a hypocrit when I'm in the EXACT same position as you.  I currently am a bad team (I'll be lucky to win 30 games) that desperately needs a big man and a star.  I'll need to do it through the draft and through free agency, where I have cap room but this past year wasn't able to use it.  I have a #6 pick in James Worthy, who by your estimation should be great since he was very good in real life, who isn't doing shit and has been a huge bust.

Again, point out where I'm a hypocrit.  Difference is I don't bitch and moan about it.  Instead, I find ways to win.  Find ways to play with my settings (you can ask Tom, HornetsGM and WarriorsGM how much data collection I used to do to know exactly how EVERY player in the league played) and mix and match lineups to find ones that work.  I find that to be a better tactic than bitching and moaning.

Obviously not.  Your starting lineup consists of B B B+ B A- defenders.  And you wonder why you can't stop anyone.  Block a shot, my lord.

The cavs won by collecting depth and using it correctly.  Yours is a team of mix-matched talent that doesn't form a semblance of a team.

and on the other topic: let's take a look at the Nest aka 2014 (their last of THREE titles)

this is their team:

Garrett Pettit	SG	82	39.8	31.6	6.6	3.8	2.8	0.6	3.4	.483	.915	.438
Lincoln Lord	PG	80	38.2	19.5	4.3	10.2	1.7	0.2	1.7	.453	.955	.414
Emeka Okafor	C	76	35.9	18.5	13.8	2.6	1.3	3.3	2.6	.429	.673	.000
Trent Kundla	SF	82	30.0	11.0	4.1	3.0	1.4	0.4	2.0	.479	.849	.441
Samuel Dalembert	C	82	31.1	7.1	10.1	1.5	0.8	3.9	1.0	.445	.664	.000

their main role players were Dunleavy (26mpg, 8ppg, 5rpg), Milicic (20mpg, 5ppg, 6rpg) and Gooden (15mpg, 4ppg, 6rpg) who did little but defend. That whole team was built with 2 superstars, 1 above average PG, and 2 role players for defense.

I see zero similarity to the team you built.

It's news to me that Bird, Magic, and especially Short and JBC were good defenders in reality. Cartwright was long and disruptive, but no good defender. Chambers was offense only.

Your team lacks some fundamental parts for succeeding, IMO. I believe, if you took this team here in reality, you would have had a hard time making the playoffs in the NBA ... much like here.

and that's no joke ...
 :bash:

Unfortunately for Kings, it looks like Derek just owned him, rather badly.

You're using the wrong examples. Most of these players were just a rookies or sophs back then so off course their teams didn't do well. But in AI's fifth year Philly was already a respectable team (granted, there were other changes as well, no doubt). As you can see, it's Birds 6th year, Bill's 5th, Magic's 5th, Carroll's 4th. They're almost a veterans!





You're saying you would have won a title without Pettit? Or that Pettit was just a 17ppg player?





No. Off course you're not. You just took over a team. I'm building this team for like 5 season. And if my top prospects are in like their 5th or 6th season i want some fucking results! For Gods sake, Mcgrady in Magic & Bird's age was already tearing up the league and was able to lead me to the playoffs even when i had pretty mediocre team.


Another bust? I can't belive!



In a sense that you had like only ONE top pick and the guy led you to the multiple titles. And i have five top picks, can't make the playoffs and you question my sense for logic. Sorry, if i have 5 of them i want at least one of them to be a stud! Am i asking too much?


Cause you don't have a reason. You won your share of titles and you have yet to see what is like when all of your hopes turns to dust cause the league can't produce a single franchise players. You build and build, make trades, create...all for nothing.


I work from 8-4. When i get home this is probably the last thing i'd do. This game should be much simplier and not only for people who're a programers or working on computers. At least that's how i see things.

let's repeat and slightly modify my last stance:

... if you took your Kings team here in reality, it would have had a hard time making the playoffs in the NBA NOW. Maybe back then when nobody played defense, but as we've learned that's how you build winners in FBB ...

so what exactly are you mad about?

you know your defense sucks so winning it can't be.
you have 5 scorers and wonder why none averages 30ppg ? Can't be.
you wonder why Magic and Bird don't rip the league? get them the right teammates and they might.

oh, maybe you wonder how many titles and MVP awards the real Bird would have won when drafted by the Clippers? Zero, i guess ...

Kings...a couple thoughts.

Your backup SG (15.6 minutes) averages more blocks than your starting center does in 36.4 minutes.

You give up a difference of 6+ rebounds per game.  In short you have no rebounders - Carroll with a B- rating is your best.

Tom is right...you have built a team that is mostly offensive minded.  You drafted/traded based on name recognition and not based on needs, position or talent evaluation.  Without defense or rebounding you may slip into the playoffs but will never succeed.

Um..no shit. Like i didn't say several times how my defense is a total disaster. Which off course leads us to next question; How come none of the top picks can't play a lick of D? And how many good defenders are in the league? Last time i asked for people like Moncrief or Herb Williams etc, their price was...well...ugh.

And second, is it really true you have to be a great defensive team in NBA to make the friggin playoffs? Mavs were a laughable defensive team (Nash & Dirk era) for years and were at the same time a 60 W team. So were the Suns, Wizards and many other teams.

Brand was in his 5th year.  Maggette his 4th.  Olowokandi his 5th.  Andre Miller his 4th.  Lamar Odom his 4th.

In 1995 DC was in his 6th, Weatherspoon his 4th, Bradley his 4th. 


Yes, I do question your logic.  Look over Tom and my post again.  It's pretty evident that you're missing key ingredients on building a team, and that my championship teams were very much not 5 scorers who knew how to defender.  My #2 scorer (Okafor) was a guy who could never have been a #1 option, and even as a #2 option struggled with inefficiency.  Players need to fill roles.  Your players do not complement each other at all.


Maybe you missed DJSL.  Tracy walking pretty much put my hopes to dust.


boo-hoo.  I'm a Linux Admin.  I'm on call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  Last week I put in 60 hours at work.  What I was doing (data collection) doesn't take programmers.  If you know how to open excel, it can be done.  Heck, with the right amount of time, you can do it with pen, paper, and a calculator.

A simple sim is not the sim I want to play.

quiet.  Nothing's ever his fault.  Bird should be putting up 35 ppg.

and that's the funny part, this team and players behave exactly how they would in reality ...
 :lol2:

I have a team with quite a few well-rated defenders, but no shot-blocker. Hence, my oFG% is third worst in the league this preseason.  :bash: I'm even considering running Greenwood out at center this year. But I've accepted  that the Knicks will be a marginal playoff team at best until I can draft or trade for a Mega Beast.

Wow. And I read all this. :)

Hawks please come back and run a sim! lol

Jk, discussions are good once in a while.

Btw... to tell you the truth... I have a starting lineup with 2 #2 picks, a #3 pick and a #4 pick. So this is the 90s Clippers for real. Hahaha. Well, still have sweet memories of Brand, Gordon, Maggette, Chandler, Brown and co. Now on to the future.

I'm around. I'm studying for the Bar Exam, so I don't have a whole lot of time, plus I have limited internet access. I usually check in daily, but I was away this past weekend.

Are you insane? Magic, Bird, Chambers, Carrol and Cartwright lineup would suck? Oh my god...


 :rrofl:This is the least defensive era i can remember in awhile. Who the hell would guard Bird or Magic with all these hand checking rules?!

You people are hillarious. Like i'm not aware of my team's problems. Ask Knicks, Grizzlies or Wizards GM's how many times i've asked about Moncrief, Greenwood or Herb Williams. All good defenders.

Yeah, i don't realize i suck at rebounds and defense. And that's EXACTLY what bothers me. Why can't a #5 in the draft, big man in his 5th year (Cartwright) rebound? Or play defense? Why can't a 2nd overall pick big guy like Carrol rebound, or defend. Or even score? Why can't Tom Chambers do none of it?? That's exactly the problem! If they're top picks they GOT TO do at least something, no?!

Prepare yourself for mediocricy for the next 10 years. Having good picks here is not something you can build your future on. Not here.


Well, that's what they are. A memories. I have couple of them as well. When people like Bibby, Mcgrady, Duncan, Camby etc played like they were supposed to play. They didn't suck. Good ol days.

now thats cool.

First you want these guys to be as close to reality as possible.
Now you want guys like Cartwright, Chambers and (gulp) JBC suddenly be great defenders.

I mean, can you decide wich way this should go ?

Maybe because in REAL LIFE they weren't that good.

Cartwright never averaged more than 8.9 boards (his rookie year) and averaged only 6.3 for his career.  He had only one other season averaging over 8 boards.

Chambers averaged over 8 rebounds just ONCE in his career.  And only 6.1 for his career.

Carroll only averaged 8.55 boards his first 5 years in the league...and they were his BEST five years.

Basically you drafted 3 big men with high picks that were NEVER strong rebounders or defenders.  And just because they have "real" NBA names they were supposed to develop into 11-13 rebound per game players?

Do i have to fucking draw for you? How the hell can you miss the point so badly?

Joe Carrol was a 20 & 9 players, hell he even had a season of 24ppg & 9 in his 3rd year. 15 & 9 here so far for my team.

Larry Bird was a 28 & 10 & 6 beast. He's 20 & 5 & 6 here.

Magic was like 20 & 13 & 6. He's a 20 & 7 & 7 here.

Tom  Chambers was a 25 & 8 in his prime, 18ppg and 7rpg in his 3rd year. He's 6 & 7 here.

DO.YOU.GET.IT.NOW.?


Point is - they were all IMPACT players, in one way or another. They are ALL piece of TRASH here. And sorry, i do have a problem with that.

Then quit.  You've been told repeatedly that these players are not mimicking their real life counterparts.  If you can't get paste that, let us find a GM who can.  We continually have the same arguments over, and over, and over.  Do I have to draw it out for you?

Yeah. I just can't realize how can someone be so much in love with mediocricy.


Yep. Just one more season. If they don't start to play like they should have, i'll quit. I did it for the same reason in DJSL, should be no problem here.

THEY.WOULD.NEVER.HAVE.BEEN.THAT.IMPACT.PLAYERS.PLAYING.ON.ONE.TEAM

You get it now ?


Carrol (24ppg) and Purvis Short (21ppg) played together on the 82 Warriors. They were the #1 and #2 option on that team. And that team won 30 of 82 games. I haven#t seen JBC or Purvis #1 option on your team.

He would be 26/8/7 on my team, next to John Tyler and Pavel Podkolzine. and we would win games.

FBB doesn't allow a PG averaging 10rpg. Not the players fault, thats part of the gameplay. Check any other league.

Chambers started as clear-cut #1 option in his prime, averaging a third more shot attempts than anyone else on his team. He plays non-option backup for you.


You are making a fool out of yourself the more you argue.

Think of your team like a soccer squad that would play Beckham, Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo, and lets add Ronaldinho, Christiano Ronaldo, Totti and Ballack to that one team. Think that would work ?

... well, we know it didn't. The best money could buy didn't win even one title.

Carrol had consecutive years of 19+ 9+ here.


Bird averaged 24/7.5/4 here.

Magic averaged 20/7/7.5 here.

You're missing the key point:

IT'S NOT OUR FAULT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO BUILD A TEAM.

 :rrofl: :rrofl: They don't have to be a stat monsters, but they should be winning games. Magic, Bird, Short, Chambers, Carrol, Cartwright would have been a dynasty.


JBC was like a top 2 options for the Hawks (i belive). Never cracked up a 20ppg. Purvis? I'm fine with him, i don't expect anything great or awesome from him.


Does it allow more then 7apg? You know...Magic, great ratings, first overall, kinda PG anyone would like to have on a team, bla bla..?


 :rrofl: :rrofl: Good ol' Tom. Never able to comprehend the cause and effect. Your short-sightedness is getting epic proportions. Did you ever think of WHY he isn't a top option? Maybe...um...(i have to think hard about this one)...um...maybe....nah, i can't be...but maybe, just maybe because he SUCKS?!?! Nah...it's can't be! If i to have Chambers as a first option i wouldn't win more then 5 games the entire season. :rrofl: :rrofl:


You sure do, you sure do my friend. :lol:

lol.  That's just ironic.


We tried to tell you.  It's not our fault you drafted based on name, and not based on abilities.

you just don't get it.

I agree with the Pistons, you have no clue how to build a winning team, you have lost that ability over the last 5 seasons somehow. No hierarchy, no leader, no strategy, no success ...

Wow. Big deal. And all of a sudden he forgot to play. Btw, did he ever averaged anything close to 24ppg?


Um...

1) 24/7.5/4 is nothing like 28/10/7. The second one is, you know, way better and i prefer it more.
2) It's just a one season. His career season here is his lowest point in real NBA.


Once again, that's nothing like 20/10/7.

20/7 are Mike Bibby numbers for Gods sake. Shit, Mike Bibby was better then Magic Johnson will ever be.


I couldn't care less what you think about my abilities. I made it to the Finals in DJSL, one a title in one other league, and had like 4 WCF's here, 3 times short of a one game for the Finals. I know what i'm capable of and 100% i can build a winner. But i can't do it if both, draft and FA sucks. I just can't. And i'm not familiar with any third way.


Off course. I should have drafted Steve Johnson or Kelly Tripucka. That worked out great for the Clippers. Or superb Larry Nance who's having impressive 8ppg and 6rpg so far in his stellar career. Or someone else? I'm getting confused with all these stars and studs from that draft. :rrofl:

Coincidentally, that's the time when all these good players (like Mcgrady, Shaq, Dirk, etc from a era when this league was great and the way it should meant to be, retired or were on a serious decline) and we implemented the hand made retro players. What a coincidence! :lol:

Obviously, i can't operate with trash. I'm not a garbage man. :lol:

too bad you're the only one failing miserably here.  Nique, Toney, Corzine, Buck, Mahorn do prove retro players can play up to their abilities when used right ...

and that's my final word on this.

Let's see, why are the kings not winning.

is it because Carrol is a 20 ppg talent not a 24 ppg talent?  Or is it because Magic averaged 7 rpg instead of 10?

Or is it because:
- The Kings get outrebounded by 6.5 per game?
- The Kings get no blocks (5th worst in the league)
- The kings are one of the 5 worst teams in fg% differential (they shoot 44%, they give up 46.1% (which is itself the th worst in the league)
- They hit no 3 pt'ers (3rd worst in the league), and do so at a terribly inefficient rate (3rd worst in the league as well). 

You built a team that can't rebound, can't defend, can't block shots, can't force turnovers.  Then you have 5 guys who are ALL scorers, and complain because they're not all 30 ppg scorers.

What's sad is I just spent more time looking at his team in the past 15 minutes than he has, whereas he's spending his time looking at basketballreference.com and dreaming.

Um...why would i look into something i already know too well? You're sayin i'm not realizing that i'm one of the worst defenive & rebounding & blocking teams in the league? LOL. I've said that myself like 50 times in various threads. That's why i asked for some rebounders & defenders around the league for 50 times as well. But once when i saw that i won't be able to get what i want i said, hell, i'll at least try to outscore people, like the Warriors this year for example. Obviously, you can't even do that. Cause guess what? People who're supposed to be scorers, like Bird, Carrol or Chambers can't even do that!

You're crazy if you think i don't see what's the problem. Please don't teach me the fundamentals of basketball.

Yep. All powerhouses.  :lol:


The better.

Um...

Golden State was one of the best shotblocking teams in the league this year.  They were also a top-10 defensive team.


First of all, Chambers is NOT a scorer.  Not by his ratings.  Your inability to get past the name is one of your biggest downfalls.

Second of all, Carrol and Bird and Magic have all proven that they CAN score.  Yet you continually ask "why aren't they doing that on my team".  Maybe you should take a look at that in a little more depth.  Why is Carrol a 15 ppg scorer on your team, whereas he was 19 ppg earlier in his career?  Why can't Bird duplicate his 24 ppg season?

He entered the league with something like B- & B offense with A potential (that's almost the same as Nique of the Hornets). Based on that, and some other leagues i've been to and what he has done in NBA somehow i figured he would be a good scorer here as well (i still hope).


I don't see a problem with depth. How come Mcgrady was able to drop 25-30 playing alongside Hoffa who was a 30ppg himself? How come Mcgrady was 30ppg player alongside Duncan?  How come Mike Bibby was also always around 15-20 playin along such studs as Hoffa or Mcgrady? I don't see any reason why Bird wouldn't be a 25-30ppg player as a first or second option playing with Magic and Carrol.

What you don't realize is, i don't care about their stats. I care about winning. I couldn't care less is Bird is to average 10ppg and i'd be winning. That way i could see his impact on the game. But i do have a problem when there's nothing, nor the stats (at least it would help their trade value) nor the winning. That's what pisses me off.

what we've been trying to tell you (and what you've been conveniently ignoring) is WHY you're not winning.  You're not just a "not good" defensive team.  You're a historically bad defensive and rebounding team.  Possibly one of the worst SSBA has ever seen.  You can't even begin to compare yourself to a team like the warriors, a team who almost missed the playoffs because of rebounding & defense.

when i see what your asking price on a stiff like chambers is, i can't wónder you haven't been able to put a winning team.

btw, I love that when you can't deny the facts you simply switch to attacking on a personal level

Yep. I was never able to assemble the great frontcourt (simply cause most of the top inside players were never available) but i was always one of the top 3 teams in the West and made it to WCF like 4 times. Why? Because Mike Bibby played like he was supposed to be playin (not like Magic for example), because Mcgrady was a true stud and superstar (not like Bird, Carrol or Magic, they can't wash his feet), because Hoffa was unstopable force inside (and despite his horrible defense i could have won every playoff series against anyone, any time) etc etc. That's what i'm talking about. A true superstars and franchise players who despite all the rebounding & defensive issues were able to carry me over anyone. Players now, they all look great on paper but their impact on the game is miserable. I can feel it. Shit, Danny Fortson impact >>> Carrol, Cartwright and Chambers combined. Hell, look at Mchale or Buck's ratings. All great, and yet Nuggets started winning only when they traded for 33 year old guy from the golden era of this league who was drafted like 15 seasons ago (Pettit). Era when players were like they're supposed to be.


Warriors of the NBA, of the NBA, not here...

No, the warriros of the NBA are a very good shotblocking team, and an average defensive team.  you're nowhere near in either of those two categories. 

This isn't about getting a great frontcourt.  This is about getting a defensive and rebounding frontcourt.  Not only are you missing key players (rebounding, defense), but your entire frontcourt have the same strengths and weaknesses.  Your team doesn't complement each other worth jack.

Can you go any lower then this? Can i say in front of everyone your disgracefull, disrespectfull (specially after all these years knowing each other, you still treat people like they're some sort of 12 year old kids in their first ever sim league), shamefull offers?

I don't know why are you stating the obvious all the time. I'm tryin to move some of my so-call scorers for defensive minded players all the time. But off course, since majority of them are big time underachievers people are not interested. Which leads us to my original statement: top picks sucks. If Tom Chambers was to be a 18ppg & 7rpg players with B- defense then maybe i could have moved him for a defensive & rebounding minded (such as Greenwood for example). Maybe some teams that needs scoring would take the bait. But off course, since he's 7 & 6 that's a hard thing to do. Same with Carrol. I've offered him to everyone. But people are not dumb. They see a player and say; hey this guy is not a great defender, he's not a great rebounder. Ok, but i need a scorer. But he's not a great scorer as well, so why would i trade for him?!

Alright guys, I am terribly sorry for the long delay in giving this message.  My laptop that I spoke about having to rig to continue running the SSBA is gone.  The harddrive crashed and I can not afford to fix it or buy a new computer just to keep running the SSBA.  Like I said I have a desktop, which I could have communicated with you guys this message if Verizon didn't go down because the people building the bridge near my house hit a wire.  But I sadly have to resign as commish.  I would love nothing more than to continue running the SSBA.  I might seem a little insane by saying this, but I found it more intriguing running it than only being a GM.  I have read a lot of the comments, Heat is the only one I wonder about, I have been a GM here since the SSBA started way back under jemagee.  I am one of the most active GM's in the SSBA, there are only a handful who are could be more committed to the SSBA than myself.  I have the most recent save files on my flash drive.  I just hope we can find somebody who can replace me soon, my long layoff is really hurting the league right now.  By the way, I still don't have internet except here at work, I am going to bring my flash drive to work and send out the files tomorrow to derek.  He can go from there in determining a replacement.  I am very very sorry that I could only last a season as commish, derek chose me for my dedication, which is not lacking, just my funds to provide the necessary resources to keep running the SSBA.  I will be checking in on and off as I still have my job to do throughout the night, feel free to blast me as much as you want, but let's keep this thing rolling, I hope there is a dedicated soul out there to run the league.

oopss sorry...my bad...  :tup:

settle down guys... Kings has been doing great in rebuilding... unfortunately...he looks at the names more than the stats... but i still say he has a good team...its still the preseason. your just short of a shot blocker... get one playing in the bench that can get 2bpg or more for you...and you'll be fine...

this really sucks...I was actually working on trying to implement some new rules when my computer crashed.  I was typing up a proposal to send to derek.  Despite me being commish, I still consulted him on every move.  I will put it up for a vote on the General Board.  I will include my reasoning in the post, look over there, I obviously no longer have the say in this, but I can still keep accurate records of this without using the FBB system.

I told you im with internet connection problem and that i might be for a week or so, i still am with the same problem so when i go and waste my money on 15 or 30 mins at LAN House to check emails i just cant find more time to spend on other things except djsl, uosl and ssba in which ive been for a long long time.

And well, i guess my attendance proves that as well, i havent missed a single thing here probably since the beginning, but for your league i just couldnt find those few minutes of precious and expensive time for me with this problem im having, there i needed lots of work as i took over a new team, and i did let you know that i wont be able to be very active until i get my home connection back.

:p

Yes but I would have prefferd to have been told this before I hired you, not after.

22 years old, and yes I would do anything for a hangover this week  :cheers:

June birthdays rock, except when you're in school, I might try and hit up Syracuse this weekend and celebrate the completion of my tougher midterms  :tup:

so who's the new commish?

can you get any lower than asking for two young starters for a PF getting 8/9 on 40% shooting in 33mpg
Yet you act like it's Dirk in his prime traded here.

Your latest reality check is grossly overdue ...

HOW MANY CONVERSATIONS ARE GOING ON HERE????

1. Kings - you are lost in the "name-game", and have not realized that some players do not develop like their "real-life" counterparts.

2. Hawks - Sad to hear about all of the issues, you have done well in your brief stint as commish.  Let's get a new guy in charge, and keep this thing going.

3. B'day boys - Happy birthday!

4. Did i miss another conversation???

Some of them? Try all of them.

thanks for reminding us.
let's end that fruitless Ivan bashing and turn to some important stuff (for the league).


i think there are a couple of people (Derek, myself, hornets?) who could keep this going on an interim basis, completing preseason and maybe a few more sims of the regular season.

But i know that neither Derek nor myself can take over full-time duties, and i know that i won't even find time to create a draft file for next season (which seems to be the first "heavy" duty he has on hand).


Any volunteers ?
 :hail:

btw, i have to correct myself, we DO have a GrizzliesGM who is online, posted a DC.
add the new LakersGM and there's only 2 teams open: Bulls and Wolves.

Guess we should fill these vacancies soon too before the season starts

As for the schedule, how about preseason on Thursday evening (done by Derek, myself or a future commish) and start of the new season sometimes during the weekend ? Unless the majority votes for some other option.

Maybe that's not a bad idea, let's put up some votes ...

This has become an amazing topic! Really, like Sonics said... all different conversations. Hahaha. Now lets find a commish and continue this! The long gone mighty Clippers and Kings will battle again for 1st overall pick! lol

I definitely cannot, at least until September. I have a lot of studying to do for a test next month.

I didnt know itll last THAT LONG.

preseason2 is up.
discuss and please check your rosterfiles.
it could be that something is missing because i didn´t have all the changes from preseason 1.

Sim 1 will be done thursday between 8pm and 2am the next day so post your DC.
Calendar will be updated tomorrow.

now thats fast work P

Buehler is just insane period.

Phelps despite decline in ratings last 3 seasons seems to be playing better and better every season, goes down in RAT, goes up in production. Love that guy.

Telf worries a bit so ill start with pre-season 1 DC with Phelps on PG.

 :bounce:


:)

weeee..............dat was fast....  :D  good start from the commish  :D

Nice job, new skip.

Same record for the Nets - this time playing without Schmalz AND Macy, with my 1st option from last year coming off the bench. None of my young swingmen established themselves from the rest of the pack, which is a bit of a shame, though all played well. Gminski got his first preseason action - and was a beast, pumping in 27+ ppg in 34 mins. Cool.

7-7 without Buck. I can stomach that if he has a long injury. Green and McHale didnt play many minutes for being starters and not getting into foul trouble

I think I found my new lineup...
My biggest concern with starting Mad Max at SG was rebounding.  Warriors were a bad rebounding team last year, and Sylvester was picked up with the MLE to be a role playing rebounder at SF.

But, Max pulled down 6.8 rpg from the SG spot, and also put up 17 ppg as a non-option.
4 players with over 17 ppg, and any one of them can go for 40.
But the key was the defense.  Team defense and rebounding have improved immensely over last year.

Warriors are back in the playoffs, it looks like!!!! :bounce:

The big surprise for the Rockets has been the play of Allen Coles.

After an impressive TC offensively he looks capable of stepping up and contributing nicely. B inside and B outside make him an all-round threat and at 6'7" his size is a bonus at the SG spot.

Wiley Peck has scored the ball well from SF, and has a nice .481 FG%.

Another season with "matador defense", but the future is looking brighter.

Injuries permitting, we may be around the 8th/9th/10th spot in the West.

~RocketsGM