Preseason sim 2 up

[CelticsGM]

now thats cool.

First you want these guys to be as close to reality as possible.
Now you want guys like Cartwright, Chambers and (gulp) JBC suddenly be great defenders.

I mean, can you decide wich way this should go ?

[SpursGM-old]

Why can't a #5 in the draft, big man in his 5th year (Cartwright) rebound? Or play defense? Why can't a 2nd overall pick big guy like Carrol rebound, or defend. Or even score? Why can't Tom Chambers do none of it?? That's exactly the problem! If they're top picks they GOT TO do at least something, no?!

Maybe because in REAL LIFE they weren't that good.

Cartwright never averaged more than 8.9 boards (his rookie year) and averaged only 6.3 for his career.  He had only one other season averaging over 8 boards.

Chambers averaged over 8 rebounds just ONCE in his career.  And only 6.1 for his career.

Carroll only averaged 8.55 boards his first 5 years in the league...and they were his BEST five years.

Basically you drafted 3 big men with high picks that were NEVER strong rebounders or defenders.  And just because they have "real" NBA names they were supposed to develop into 11-13 rebound per game players?

[KingsGM-old]

Do i have to fucking draw for you? How the hell can you miss the point so badly?

Joe Carrol was a 20 & 9 players, hell he even had a season of 24ppg & 9 in his 3rd year. 15 & 9 here so far for my team.

Larry Bird was a 28 & 10 & 6 beast. He's 20 & 5 & 6 here.

Magic was like 20 & 13 & 6. He's a 20 & 7 & 7 here.

Tom  Chambers was a 25 & 8 in his prime, 18ppg and 7rpg in his 3rd year. He's 6 & 7 here.

DO.YOU.GET.IT.NOW.?


Point is - they were all IMPACT players, in one way or another. They are ALL piece of TRASH here. And sorry, i do have a problem with that.

[NetsGM]

Point is - they were all IMPACT players, in one way or another. They are ALL piece of TRASH here. And sorry, i do have a problem with that.

Then quit.  You've been told repeatedly that these players are not mimicking their real life counterparts.  If you can't get paste that, let us find a GM who can.  We continually have the same arguments over, and over, and over.  Do I have to draw it out for you?

[KingsGM-old]

Do I have to draw it out for you?

Yeah. I just can't realize how can someone be so much in love with mediocricy.

Then quit.

Yep. Just one more season. If they don't start to play like they should have, i'll quit. I did it for the same reason in DJSL, should be no problem here.

[CelticsGM]

...
DO.YOU.GET.IT.NOW.?

Point is - they were all IMPACT players, in one way or another. They are ALL piece of TRASH here. And sorry, i do have a problem with that.

THEY.WOULD.NEVER.HAVE.BEEN.THAT.IMPACT.PLAYERS.PLAYING.ON.ONE.TEAM

You get it now ?

Joe Carrol was a 20 & 9 players, hell he even had a season of 24ppg & 9 in his 3rd year. 15 & 9 here so far for my team.

Carrol (24ppg) and Purvis Short (21ppg) played together on the 82 Warriors. They were the #1 and #2 option on that team. And that team won 30 of 82 games. I haven#t seen JBC or Purvis #1 option on your team.

Larry Bird was a 28 & 10 & 6 beast. He's 20 & 5 & 6 here.

He would be 26/8/7 on my team, next to John Tyler and Pavel Podkolzine. and we would win games.

Magic was like 20 & 13 & 6. He's a 20 & 7 & 7 here.

FBB doesn't allow a PG averaging 10rpg. Not the players fault, thats part of the gameplay. Check any other league.

Tom  Chambers was a 25 & 8 in his prime, 18ppg and 7rpg in his 3rd year. He's 6 & 7 here.

Chambers started as clear-cut #1 option in his prime, averaging a third more shot attempts than anyone else on his team. He plays non-option backup for you.


You are making a fool out of yourself the more you argue.

Think of your team like a soccer squad that would play Beckham, Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo, and lets add Ronaldinho, Christiano Ronaldo, Totti and Ballack to that one team. Think that would work ?

... well, we know it didn't. The best money could buy didn't win even one title.

[NetsGM]

Joe Carrol was a 20 & 9 players, hell he even had a season of 24ppg & 9 in his 3rd year. 15 & 9 here so far for my team.

Carrol had consecutive years of 19+ 9+ here.

Larry Bird was a 28 & 10 & 6 beast. He's 20 & 5 & 6 here.

Bird averaged 24/7.5/4 here.

Magic was like 20 & 13 & 6. He's a 20 & 7 & 7 here.

Magic averaged 20/7/7.5 here.

You're missing the key point:

15 & 9 here so far for my team.

IT'S NOT OUR FAULT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO BUILD A TEAM.

[KingsGM-old]

THEY.WOULD.NEVER.HAVE.BEEN.THAT.IMPACT.PLAYERS.PLAYING.ON.ONE.TEAM

You get it now ?

  They don't have to be a stat monsters, but they should be winning games. Magic, Bird, Short, Chambers, Carrol, Cartwright would have been a dynasty.

I haven#t seen JBC or Purvis #1 option on your team.

JBC was like a top 2 options for the Hawks (i belive). Never cracked up a 20ppg. Purvis? I'm fine with him, i don't expect anything great or awesome from him.

FBB doesn't allow a PG averaging 10rpg. Not the players fault, thats part of the gameplay. Check any other league.

Does it allow more then 7apg? You know...Magic, great ratings, first overall, kinda PG anyone would like to have on a team, bla bla..?

Chambers started as clear-cut #1 option in his prime, averaging a third more shot attempts than anyone else on his team. He plays non-option backup for you.

  Good ol' Tom. Never able to comprehend the cause and effect. Your short-sightedness is getting epic proportions. Did you ever think of WHY he isn't a top option? Maybe...um...(i have to think hard about this one)...um...maybe....nah, i can't be...but maybe, just maybe because he SUCKS?!?! Nah...it's can't be! If i to have Chambers as a first option i wouldn't win more then 5 games the entire season.

You are making a fool out of yourself the more you argue.

You sure do, you sure do my friend.

[NetsGM]

Good ol' Tom. Never able to comprehend the cause and effect. Your short-sightedness is getting epic proportions

lol.  That's just ironic.

but maybe, just maybe because he SUCKS?!?!

We tried to tell you.  It's not our fault you drafted based on name, and not based on abilities.

[CelticsGM]

Magic, Bird, Short, Chambers, Carrol, Cartwright would have been a dynasty

you just don't get it.

I agree with the Pistons, you have no clue how to build a winning team, you have lost that ability over the last 5 seasons somehow. No hierarchy, no leader, no strategy, no success ...

[KingsGM-old]

Carrol had consecutive years of 19+ 9+ here.

Wow. Big deal. And all of a sudden he forgot to play. Btw, did he ever averaged anything close to 24ppg?

Bird averaged 24/7.5/4 here.

Um...

1) 24/7.5/4 is nothing like 28/10/7. The second one is, you know, way better and i prefer it more.
2) It's just a one season. His career season here is his lowest point in real NBA.

Magic averaged 20/7/7.5 here.

Once again, that's nothing like 20/10/7.

20/7 are Mike Bibby numbers for Gods sake. Shit, Mike Bibby was better then Magic Johnson will ever be.

IT'S NOT OUR FAULT YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO BUILD A TEAM.

I couldn't care less what you think about my abilities. I made it to the Finals in DJSL, one a title in one other league, and had like 4 WCF's here, 3 times short of a one game for the Finals. I know what i'm capable of and 100% i can build a winner. But i can't do it if both, draft and FA sucks. I just can't. And i'm not familiar with any third way.

We tried to tell you.  It's not our fault you drafted based on name, and not based on abilities.

Off course. I should have drafted Steve Johnson or Kelly Tripucka. That worked out great for the Clippers. Or superb Larry Nance who's having impressive 8ppg and 6rpg so far in his stellar career. Or someone else? I'm getting confused with all these stars and studs from that draft.

[KingsGM-old]

you have no clue how to build a winning team, you have lost that ability over the last 5 seasons somehow. No hierarchy, no leader, no strategy, no success ...

Coincidentally, that's the time when all these good players (like Mcgrady, Shaq, Dirk, etc from a era when this league was great and the way it should meant to be, retired or were on a serious decline) and we implemented the hand made retro players. What a coincidence!

Obviously, i can't operate with trash. I'm not a garbage man.

[CelticsGM]

too bad you're the only one failing miserably here.  Nique, Toney, Corzine, Buck, Mahorn do prove retro players can play up to their abilities when used right ...

and that's my final word on this.

[NetsGM]

Let's see, why are the kings not winning.

is it because Carrol is a 20 ppg talent not a 24 ppg talent?  Or is it because Magic averaged 7 rpg instead of 10?

Or is it because:
- The Kings get outrebounded by 6.5 per game?
- The Kings get no blocks (5th worst in the league)
- The kings are one of the 5 worst teams in fg% differential (they shoot 44%, they give up 46.1% (which is itself the th worst in the league)
- They hit no 3 pt'ers (3rd worst in the league), and do so at a terribly inefficient rate (3rd worst in the league as well). 

You built a team that can't rebound, can't defend, can't block shots, can't force turnovers.  Then you have 5 guys who are ALL scorers, and complain because they're not all 30 ppg scorers.

[NetsGM]

What's sad is I just spent more time looking at his team in the past 15 minutes than he has, whereas he's spending his time looking at basketballreference.com and dreaming.