SSBA

List your all time 5 best player, ie your best starting five from the begging of the league. Condition is at least one full year playin for your team.

The best starting five will be rewarded with 50$ from the KingsGM himself! :P

Ok, here is the Kings All Time Starting Five!

PG - Magic Johnson
SG - Tracy Mcgrady
SF - Dirk Nowitzki
PF - Tim Duncan
C - Rafael Araujo

Bench: Mike Bibby, Stephon Marbury, Marcus Camby, Danny THE MAN Fortson, Drew Gooden, Brad Miller, Chris Bosh.

PG-Max
SG-Melo
SF-Peja
PF-Hoffa
C-Yao

If the contest regards only the peaks of careers, noone beats that.

PG - Sebastian Telfair / Mark Bird
SG - Bertram Shultz / Carlos Clement
SF - Charles Phelps / Chris Bosh
PF - Carlos Boozer / Zach Randolph
C - Rafael Araujo / Tyson Chandler

That's it?

You're out of the contest.

GFY :D

Yeah, that's a sick lineup. But defense ain't that great. Specially on the perimeter (Peja & Melo).

I assume this takes into account each player's best seasons on their team.

C-Paul Maggette/Jeff Robertson/Pau Gasol
PF-Zach Randolph/Ben Wallace/Kenyon Martin
SF-Andrei Kirilenko/Vince Carter/Andreis Biedrens
SG-Jason Richardson/James Posey/Dont remember
PG-Lincoln Lord/Jason Williams/Sandy Carter

Thats probably the best lineup possible.

Not phenomenal defenders, no...but how many great scoring AND great defenders have we had in SSBA? Certainly not enough for any team to have ever had 5

Haha..i love it. Everyone thinks his lineup is the best possible! :)

C-Shaq/Magliore
PF-KMart/Amare Stoudemire/Emmanuel Griffin
SF-Kobe/Roan
SG-Pettitt/Vince Carter
PG-Hinrich/Havlicek

not the best, but thats a pretty nice lineup, and a strong backup at each position

Lol, no. That's probably THE best. Who could stop Pettit & Shaq?

Ok, give me my 50 bucks then! :)

not possible the best but imo the deepest.

C Tanner / Dikembe
PF JO /  Boozer
SF Marion / Artest
SG Melo / Redd
PG English / Tinsley

thanks for the competition can´t wait to see the hornets lineup

C - Emeka Okafor
PF - Amare Stoudamire
SF - Carmelo Anthony
SG - Allen Iverson
PG - Mike Evans

Mike Evans hasn't proved himself too much yet, but I think he's gonna be a great one

Peak of their careers?:

PG - Shaun Livingston
SG - Tracy McGrady
SF - Shaun Marion
PF - Ben Wallace
C - Yao Ming

Where's my $50  :P

Edit -- forgot about my bench:

PG - Baron Davis
SG - Carmelo Anthony
SF - Lamar Odom
PF - Dan Gadzuric
C - Shaq-fu

C: Araujo
PF: Okafor
SF: Dirk
SG: Melo/LeBron
PG: Harris

I guess for the validity of the arguement it doesn't make much sense to judge each player by his peak year overall - rather his peak year with that team.

C: Dalembert
PF: Emeka
SF: Mike Dunleavy
SG: Garrett Pettit
PG: Lincoln Lord

Bench:
Boykins, Kundla, Battier, Boozer, Paul Maggette.

No, that's not going to be the best all-time 5.  But that's probably the best 5 who actually played on the same team at the same time (and did so through 2 championship runs)

SF and SG are arguable (as both Billups and Boykins best years matched Lord's best year, and Kundla's 1 year was about as good as Dunleavy's best).

My problem was, once I got Okafor and Pettit, I didn't have any other superstar players.  Why?  Because I didn't use a superstar to get either Pettit or Okafor, and I didn't use Pettit or Okafor to get a superstar.

well if thats the case i would just need to change one thing and put Clement first and then Shultz 'cause Shultz just played 2 seasons here

Derek, you could take the cursed Knicks and get back into the game as GM ;)

Knicks already have a GM.

And nah, not interested in getting back in the game.  When I'm in it, I spend too much time with it, heh.

ok hehehe, was just a sugestion (however you spell that heh) ;)

is that you on RealGM as sys admin or ?

I'm a moderator, yeah.

you do that for living there or just help out ?

Hah, no, RealGM doesn't pay.  Just for fun.

thats great anyway ;)

I don't think any forum pay their mods.


Pavel
Dwight
Al J
Brice
Kidd

well system admin they pay here on forums, depends i guess.

nah, I don't do any sys-admin stuff for them. I do sys-admin stuff in real life, but jost help with their forums for RealGM.

ohhhhh, my bad then, i tought i saw other thing

that makes sense  :cheers:

Just ONE FIX!!!!

The Grand Jury will make his decision tommorow, once when it gets sober.

ps Blazers: Don't ask idiotistic question

Ok thgat0s it! I'm moving to Arabia, or Pakistan or something like that! i want all the womesns to have some blankets on them, i can't stanfd this anymore. For a decent people thius i sjust too much!

haha,  :bods:

PG: AI
SG: ERVING
SF: TYLER
PF  BARNER
C: DUNCAN

Celtics all-time best starting five/ reserves

C Jamal Sampson / Eddy Curry
PF Emmanuel Griffin / Stromile Swift
SF Dirk Nowitzki / John Tyler
SG Shawn Marion / Antonio Lenard
PG Chauncey Billups / Malcolm Trump

no wonder I never even reached the conf finals ...
 :cheers:

Yeah, i still don't know what do with that.

I had Dirk way way past his prime.

Did I have Dirk in his prime, I can only wonder ...

Your frontcourt is still weak.

I'd say the Hornets, Derek's Nets and my Raps are the top 3...

very, very close...true that Derek did have all of his at the same time.

C - Shaquille O'Neal / Zydrunas Ilgauskas / Ben Wallace / Marcus Camby / Jamaal Magloire / Pavel Podkolzine / Robert Swift
PF - Dirk Nowitzki / John Tyler / Antonio Lenard / George Boykins / Karl Malone / Oscar Ferry / Stan Manning
SF - Carmelo Anthony / Shawn Marion / Peja Stojakavic / Roberto Dickau / Ivan Strong / Shareef Abdur-Rahim
SG - Kobe Bryant / Ray Allen / Dwyane Wade / Trent Kundla / Michael Gragg /
PG - Nicklas English / Mason Mercer / Chauncey Billups / Steve Nash / Sandy Carter / Earl Watson

i still miss the heat. They should be better than raptors imo.
since they won a title with shaq and marion and later had TD, vince and....

wow, nearly every superstar from most seasons at one point played for you.
Sonics should have won 5 titles with these guys ...
:-)

gawdd.. Karl Malone played in this sim? ???

Damn straight...I got him with the first ever MLE.

Pistons

C - Samuel Dalembert / Oscar Ferry / Steven Schmaltz
PF - Elton Brand / Ben Wallace
SF - Tracy McGrady / Rashard Lewis
SG - Vince Carter / Allen Iverson
PG - Steve Nash / Chauncey Billups / Sandy Carter

Solid to say the least...

PG- Harley Khoury/ Damon Jones
SG- Vince Keogan/ Bertram Shultz
SF- Shawn Marion/ Jason Richardson
PF-Tim Duncan/Michael Doleac ( mr. double2x  :D)
C- Shaq /Mehmet Okur

honorable mentions.. q rich, richard jefferson

vince and bertram are interchangable... :D but i rather have a bigtime scorer than a defender  :D

oh...i miss marion, shaq and timmy....

Lol, Tim Duncan & Shaq frontcourt.

But a backcourt including Mr. no-D Keogan takes a lot from that team ... ouch.

So are we arguing our all time 5, or just the best overall 12 man rotation we can come up with?

Five.

Bench could be mentioned but it doesn't have any weight.

Oscar Ferry - I had him in his 25/10 days.   
Rex Mehta - All SSBA 1st Team fixture.
Melo
Kobe/Ben Gordon
Baron/Nash/Tinsley  - all of them had all star seasons around the time I had them.

Calvin Booth/Kyle Dial
Troy Murphy (won 2 championships with the guy even though his numbers and ratings weren't anything amazing)
Andre Kirilenko
Larry Hughes/Andrew Toney
Antonio Daniels/Jason Kidd

yeah mine's boring, but considering that starting 5 won back to back championships, how can you argue?

Hmmm...  Mine was not too bad.

C: Rafael Araujo
PF : Pau Gasol/Don Ruffin/Ben Wallace (offense or defense, you decide)
SF: Dirk Nowitzki
SG : Lebron James
PG : Kirk Hinrich

you could start shultz as the starting SG...first all-league team and first defensive team  :D A+ defense... my starting five would be the best defensive five...with shultz starting as SG... :D

After a long analisis unbiased and highly objective Grand Jury decides the best starting lineup of all time is your Sacramento Kings!!

50$ goes to the Kings! Congrats!!!!

booo  :hotbounce:

lets make a poll... :sw:

kings not even should be a top 3 team. :bs:
everyone who agrees with me just post it.  :lol2:

Chandler
Brand
Childress
Maggette
Gordon

That was not just a top team for just one year or so... Contenders  (and champions) for many years!

Ok, on a serious side, the Grand Jury decided it's between the big 3 of Suns, Mavs and Hornets.

Decision to come later!

the suns? he didnt even post lol   :lol:

MIAMI HEAT UPDATE LINEUP DUE TO CELTIC'S CRITICISM

C: Shaq
PF: Tim Duncan
SF: Shawn Marion
SG: Bertram Shultz
PG: Harley Khoury

 :bounce:

yeah kingsgm, make a poll, im know im not there, but still, let the democracy decide who won 50 USD

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Yes he did. Check the page 1. Shaq & Pettit. Nuff said.

so shaq, td and vince aren´t better than shaq and pettit??

Um...you forgot about Amare & Hinrich on that team as well? It's not like Shaq and Pettie are lonely outhere.

I'd make a case for how my 5 owns every other 5, but I'm sure everyone feels that way.


Not picking a team that had Yao on it is silly though, if you ask me. The three leaders are Nets, Hornets and Raptors in my books.

As i said, there's too much offense on your team and very little defense. I mean, Melo, Peja and Hoffa. That's major hole in defense on 3 various position. I don't think even Yao could cover that up.

And not picking a team with Yao, well, how many titles he won in the last 10+ years? One.

and don´t forget if you go by position the raptors would loose at the most battles.

for example suns who are a much discussed team are clear better than raps imo

Pg battle could be close maybe even a small adv. to raps.
Sg is big in favor of suns imo
SF again suns are better
PF TD was the best PF hands down in SSBA ever
C Yao is better than shaq

so raps would loose that battle imo.

If you make criteria, everyone can fill it

There are no standards, so everyone is just listing thei most prolific scorers at each position. I could list Yao and another 4 who would put up 100 a game while holding opposition to 80. Instead, I listed my best scorers.

Yao
Swift
Chills
Melo
Baron Davis

Thats one of the best defensive teams ever. It also includes 2 of the best pure scorers (both 30+ ers) and 3 other guys that can put up 15 a night.

That's why i went with Suns, Hornets and Mavs. Those teams has it all. Offense and defense, complete package.

But, if we're talking about people in their prime i belive Kings are right there, maybe even a top 2.

PG - Magic Johnson
SG - Tracy Mcgrady
SF - Dirk Nowitzki
PF - Tim Duncan
C - Rafael Araujo or Marcus Camby who was a absolute beast on defense.

That's just a insane lineup with shortest player being 6'6. I doubt anyone could match this team on a slower pace.

well, Magic will surely get there one day. Right now he's putting up huge numbers on a bad team.


But the more this discussion here goes on, the more it's getting clear this whole "franchise player lineups" gets you nowhere. Nearly everyone here had Dirk at some point and quite a few others switched teams frequently as well. But not a single of those teams ever played one damn game with that lineup.

(There is a reason, a "team of the century" is hardly ever compared with another one of those, you simply can't compare teams based on players in their prime. Take Dirk for example. On the Sonics he was unbelievable, the best flawless playoff performance on a not-even-great team I've ever seen. On the Warriors he was still good but a step below. On the Celtics he's a nice and very old vet. It's pretty useless trying to imaging a Dirk in his prime on my team)


What i'd like to see is which ACTUAL TEAM was the best in league history. Who would win a title if the great 2013 Nets, the late 2016 Hornets, the red hot 2008 Raptors, the 2012 Warriors, the 2010 Clippers, the UNBEATEN 2009 Sonics of course, or probably even the 2018 Mavs played each others.

See, Ivan, that's a point where it's me preferring REAL teams over the FICTIONAL CRAP  you're seeking here ...
 :lol2:

Geez..relax. It was just a entertaining thought, nothing more.

well the suns didnt have shaq at its best  :D

i had shaq at its peak of his career
i had TD who was still a monster in my team
Shawn marion also a monster
Shultz following the footsteps of shawn marion ( all league first team and all league first defensive team
Harley Khoury...dont under estimate this guy he has been player of the week 6 times.. and has 14 triple double

i got 2 A+ defender i forgot if TD was an A+ defender or an A defender...shaq and khoury were A defender... shaq 20+ppg, TD 20+ppg, Marion 20+ppg shultz 20+ppg and khoury has averaged 19ppg

thats offense and defense  :D

i cant agree more with CelticsGM, and well KingsGM, just give people the money you owe now, to Suns, Hornets,etc. just not to yourself :)

you've started after all :D

And all you can show for having that many superstars on the peak of their career is ONE finals appearance (plus title) in the very first year of the league ???

Well ...
:-)

SHit, i forgot about this.

Ok, the Grand Jury decided that the best starting five is Phoenix Suns (tough call between him and the Hornets) and SunsGM gets 50 points!

Commish can transfer the money now.

You picked a team that started K-Mart at PF? He didn't even make my bench (he played for me for a few years)! And the Suns' starting center (Shaq) is on my bench...

West coast bias  :x

Kmart? No. He has Amare.


Ok, you get a consolidation (whatever that word is spelled) price, extra 20$ for a second place.

you're really easy on your wallet, throwing money that easy, send me a couple of bucks too please, at least for that pick i gave you and Ty retired.

come on, you're a humanitarian !!!!

I don't want money from a corrupt official.

most likely it's dirty money he's trying to wash clean, probably from some sort of illegal betting or so ...
;-)

I am surprised with the little reaction to the Clippers 5. Just to remember everyone... those guys together were a dynasty for about 10 seasons. In that period of time were always in the top teams of the league!

But I agree that some other teams had great starting fives as well. :)

I'm honored that My team won this little "contest" even though there were many teams that had starting 5's that were comprable to the one I was able to amass through our years here together.

as far as i remember the "contest" was about all-time starting fives (who never saw a second together on the court), otherwise there's little doubt you belong ...

Cool... so will it help if I add this past years starting center Desagana Diop? lol   (or maybe he was my staring center?)

you can add LBJ at my SG  :D

C: shaq
PF: Tim DUncan
SF: Shawn Marion
SG: Lebron James
PG: Harely khoury


 :cheers: