New Vince Offer (must read)

[KingsGM-old]

it seems like we're are all wrong and the rapsGM is only one right

[NetsGM]

No.  There are many people wrong.  Which compounds the problem.

[GoldenStateGM]

Must be tension boiling over about the Sixers/Pacers and Wiz/Cavs games...     Big game for all the teams...

[RaptorsGM]

It would also make things run smoother if you wouldn't tell people how to run their team.  It would also make things run smoother if you didn't call people out in public on things that are of private matters.

Remember once when I suggested to you that it might be wise to make trade offers via pm's rather than in threads (this was back after 2005 of the old league, I believe)?  You flipped on me, telling me not to suggest how to do things and that you didn't see any championships by the nuggets.

People don't like to be told how to do things.  Not by me.  Not by you.

Huh?

All the offers I have sent out are vai PM..so I'm pretty confused.

And I have not told anyone how to run their team. Nor have I called anyone out in public.

I said things would run smoother if people responded to PM's. I asked LakersGM to stay out of my thread if he didn't have anything positive or contsructive to add.

So where do I fit in to that post? ^

And BTW, yes  I do remember that from the old league. Me "flipping out" was over a build-up of things from you. For one, I think you told me rather forcefully that offering trades via PM would be better. Also, in a Yahoo league, you were telling me how to run my team. It was annoying to the point of being extreme.

[RaptorsGM]

Must be tension boiling over about the Sixers/Pacers and Wiz/Cavs games...     Big game for all the teams...

Honestly, I think that is exactly what it is. Thank God for Iverson and Webber

[KingsGM-old]

philly W and i won the bet, 100 $ yea baby!!!!

[NetsGM]

All the offers I have sent out are vai PM..so I'm pretty confused.

It was from the past.  Back then you didn't send them out all via pm.

As for calling out, you do it numerous times.  You just did it with LakersGM, asking him about the interaction of your trade discussions.  You did it with Kings a while back, bringing out his trade offer to the public.  When the Grizzlies didn't respond to a pm in what you deemed a timely manner you called them out.

You tell people how to run their team (how to respond to pm's, how quickly to respond to pm's).

My pointing out your response when I did something similary to you was to show you how aggravating it can be.

This entire thing started when you got mad at LakersGM for saying the Vince sweepstakes was stupid.  Something you admitted might be true from the beginning.

I'd love to see your reaction to someone doing mass pm's like you have done.

BTW, that FNBA league was an absolute waste.

[GoldenStateGM]

And Gilbert, Antawn, and Hughes...  85 points between them...  Whoooosh...

Although Lebron is looking better and better every game these days...

[RaptorsGM]

All the offers I have sent out are vai PM..so I'm pretty confused.

It was from the past.  Back then you didn't send them out all via pm.

As for calling out, you do it numerous times.  You just did it with LakersGM, asking him about the interaction of your trade discussions.  You did it with Kings a while back, bringing out his trade offer to the public.  When the Grizzlies didn't respond to a pm in what you deemed a timely manner you called them out.

You tell people how to run their team (how to respond to pm's, how quickly to respond to pm's).

My pointing out your response when I did something similary to you was to show you how aggravating it can be.

This entire thing started when you got mad at LakersGM for saying the Vince sweepstakes was stupid.  Something you admitted might be true from the beginning.

I'd love to see your reaction to someone doing mass pm's like you have done.

BTW, that FNBA league was an absolute waste.

The bolded part- then who cares? Why are we talking about that now?

We'll just have to agree to disagree. The Mass PM thing? I would love it if others would do it. What's the big problem? You get one PM, not 29, so its pretty easy to delete if you don't want it.

The Lakers came into my thread, and started calling my ideas stupid. I don't care what he thinks, or what you think, that's a bad idea. That's something that can be saved for himself.

It's as if some of us agree, and some of us don't. Some of us, like me, Bulls, Warriors, etc, don't like to see our time spent making proposals go down the drain when someone either just says no, or says no and adds a personal attack.

And I disagree with you comparing what I have done now to what you did then. You LITERALLY told me how to run my team, at least on Yahoo. I would say "so and so is up for trade, looking for positions X" and you would say "don't look for position X, trade players C and D for position Y. That's telling someone how to run their team.

Me saying that answering to PM's with more than two words would make things run smoother isn't telling anyone how to run their team.

Ok, as for calling out - Lakers - Fine. I can agree with that. I was a little pissed that I put that much time into PM'ing the Lakers with what I thought was a fair offer, then having them turn around like that. You would be too.

Kings- bringing out their trade offer- That's my bad too, but I was just, at the time, getting sick of the Kings attacking me and my team via PM.

Grizz- Come on. Now you're being ridiculous. The Grizz had a Trade thread, which they said, PM me of you like any of my players. I PM'd him. He read it, I got nothing back. Then he posted AGAIN in his trade thread, saying "how come no offers..."

Anyway, now it sounds like you are BLAMING me for this whole thing, because "I started it" when I asked the Lakers not to post his stupid Christmas Tree shit in my thread. It's the same thing as in a Completed Trades thread. You don't go posting stuuf until both have agreed. You and others almost botched the Celtics trade for me.

All I can say is whatever. I'm not going to disrespect you, and I'm not going to be "mad" at you or lose any sleep over this. If you believe that ^ then I will just respect it and move on. Nothing lost, nothing gained.

And what FNBA league are you talking about?

[LakersGM-old]

I didntknow i had to provide an essay explaining why im not going to do a trade. Is that required? I must have missed something. ANd i also remember you saying, This may sound stupid but.... AND FINALLY IT WAS A JOKE it wasnt personally directed at you or nething. Yaknow sometimes its nice to throw a little humor into things.

[RaptorsGM]

I've locked this topic, and responded to the Lakers in private.

Mods can still post here if they have anything to say. Or if you want to unlock it, I don't care.

[NetsGM]

The bolded part- then who cares? Why are we talking about that now?

Heh.  Ok.  One more time.

I brought up your reaction to my trades via pm suggestion not to say you did anything wrong but to show your own reaction to being told how to do things.  You didn't like it.  Some other people don't like it either.

The Mass PM thing? I would love it if others would do it. What's the big problem? You get one PM, not 29, so its pretty easy to delete if you don't want it

Because no matter how hard you push it, not everybody cares about your team.  Imagine if everybody did that.  We'd be getting 29 pm's.  That's what the trade talk board is for.

The Lakers came into my thread, and started calling my ideas stupid. I don't care what he thinks, or what you think, that's a bad idea. That's something that can be saved for himself.

And you retaliating simply moves the thread further from usefulness.  You bringing up private conversations pushes it even further.

And I disagree with you comparing what I have done now to what you did then. You LITERALLY told me how to run my team, at least on Yahoo. I would say "so and so is up for trade, looking for positions X" and you would say "don't look for position X, trade players C and D for position Y. That's telling someone how to run their team

Here's what I said.

BTW, not only do you have plenty of time before the season starts (most people aren't even checking the site right now anyway, limited the # of potential moves you have), but havin a glut of FC's is never bad. In fact, you only have 3 center eligible players on your roster. With 2 of them being FC's, and with 2 open Util spots, that's not a problem at all.

If I were you I'd probably look to move either one of your SF's (Marion, Lewis, Jefferson) or PF's (SAR, Howard) before anyone with Center eligibility. Having less than 3 Centers is playing with fire, and having 3 that can walk and chew gum is a great asset.

I clearly said it's my opinion.  I gave my opinion on a team and trade.  We do that daily here.

Me saying that answering to PM's with more than two words would make things run smoother isn't telling anyone how to run their team.

No.  It's telling people how to operate.  A rejected deal is a rejected deal.  No matter how much time they spend explaining why.  If they're interested in a counter offer, they'll explain.  If  not, they won't.  Either way you lose the time you've invested.  Deal with it.  There may also be very good reasons not to elaborate (I don't want you to know everything I'm thinking).  Point is, you can't tell people how to respond simply because it annoys you.

The whole point in bringing you into this is simple.  Yes, Kings may do things that you don't like.  Lakers might annoy you.  But you can annoy people as well.  You can't tell people how to act.  And until people become a little more forgiving around here, tensions will always be high.

And yes, I do blame you for this thread.  I blame you for not stopping it at the lakers criticism.  And I blame everyone for ragging on the Kings when he hadn't done anything in this thread.   There are some things that, if they need to be talked about, need to be talked about in a private manner.  Not in a public forum.

[RaptorsGM]

I give up. I don't want my threads hijacked, and I'm sure others feel the same.

But whatever, this really isn't that big of a deal. If it's my bad - fine, I apologize.

[RaptorsGM]

Bods- I've done something, and I've decided that I love you, and maybe do you want to run off and elope and stuff? Let me know.

What we have had here was a healthy debate. Some GM's have learned that people are not happy to see their hard work go down the drain, and especially not happy when a denail is coupled with a personal attack.

Some GM's (myself included) have learned that people don't like to get called out on a Public Forum.

But now, I'm opening this thread back up. All I ask is that if you don't have something to say about the Vince Carter saga, don't post here. I don't think that's asking too much.

[RaptorsGM]

And back about Vince - still nothing from the GM I am waiting for. I've heard from everyone else.