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« on: December 10, 2007, 01:13:30 AM »

at the moment the new ratings are up. hope bods can give us a link to the old ratings soon.
have fun with it.
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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2007, 01:26:03 AM »

pacers TC:
finally Newcomb showed some rating improvements. he was such a good scorer the last 2 seasons that i was already wondering if the pot was really true since he didn?t improve his inside ratings at all. but look at this year.
+1 inside, defense and rebounding and still young with B pot
If he can improve 1 more time i won?t regret my hinson trade anymore Laughing
Ostertag: i had high hopes for him. was considering him as my starter but now with -1 inside and defense and only +1 reb no way
dwight lost pot who cares  Very Happy
wright -1 handles could be a good FA pickup so late in FA
Battaile Massenburg improved pot at least he didn?t lost anything else.
Mark Aguirre hoped he would improve his defense, but again he improved his strenght scoring. +1 inside still not sure if he is a starter for my team. SF could be my weakest position this year.
Lenard -1 inside and outside
Shultz -1 inside but kept his A+ def Thumbs Up
Kenny Barkley great find so late in the draft. +1 inside, outside and +2 defense lost 1 pot will get some mins this year
Dave Rogers +1 defense still only c+ there
Alphonse Butler -1 handling
Quentin Przybilla -1 defense a waste

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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2007, 04:40:29 AM »

at first glance: top rookie improvements

Horny (Raptors) +5
Barkley (Pacers) +4
Azario (Magic) +4
McCracken (Pacers) +3
Calinoff (Celts) +3
Cory Kidd (FA) +3
Danny Perkins (FA) +3
(Stockton from the Nuggets might be there as well)

and the a handful of +2, most notably
Dawkins (Wolves)
Bias (Blazers)
Salley (Cavs)
Pressley (Pistons)


biggest "disappointments":
Tarpley, Person "only" +1
Rodman only lost pot
Mark Price gained reb, but he would have needed more.

decent draft, only 6 of 50 drafted lost net ratings, but just 7 with more than +2 - and 5 of those are long term projects - is mediocre in comparison to earlier drafts.
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2007, 06:07:09 AM »

Um...Ralph Sampson...A inside...yeah, that was an unbelievable trade...

Pistons win this thing in a landslide...I'm predicting 70 wins...especially if they can land a true SF
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2007, 06:21:00 AM »

Um...Ralph Sampson...A inside...yeah, that was an unbelievable trade...

Pistons win this thing in a landslide...I'm predicting 70 wins...especially if they can land a true SF

There comes "The Kryptonite" to the picture..  Thumbs Up
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2007, 06:23:55 AM »

http://files.ssbabasketball.com/files/End_of_Year/2022/
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2007, 06:26:19 AM »

that doesn't have draft picks or the right teams for FA's.
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2007, 06:29:32 AM »

that doesn't have draft picks or the right teams for FA's.
yeah. but for early basis. hehe
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2007, 06:34:10 AM »

don't worry, the list will be available in an hour or so
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2007, 06:34:35 AM »

Guess I shoulda gone with Bias, and like ING says "save my money".

Again, nothing too worth commenting on - probably a net loss. None of my project bigs gained anything of note, some lost abit. Kenny Walker, on balance, stayed the same (+1D/-1IN). Curry stayed the same I think. Tobey lost one grade of D, CRob picked up REB.
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2007, 06:39:08 AM »

Before and after

http://files.ssbabasketball.com/files/TC/2023/
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2007, 06:44:13 AM »

early look at top TC improvements (apart from the rooks already covered):

Terry Cummings (Knicks) +4
Rick Carlisle (Magic) +4
Henry Saperstein (Suns) +4

Joe D (Magic) +3
Vince Keogan (age 34) +3 !!!!!!!!  Very Happy
Byron Thomas (Jazz), Newcomb (Pacers), Kite (Mavs) +3
(plus a few more)

MJ, Sabonis, Sid Green, Dawkins, that other Jordan, Ewing, Wootten, (and many more) +2


WORST:

Wiley Pech (Rockets) -3
Charles Barkley (Spurs) -2 !!!!!!!!
Michael Brooks (Grizz), Brenadan LaFrentz (Clipps) -2
Ricky Pierce (Rockets) -2

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we might call the Pistons deals with Spurs and Suns the rip-off of the decade.
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2007, 06:53:54 AM »

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we might call the Pistons deals with Spurs and Suns the rip-off of the decade.

Munson declined as well.

BTW, Barkley only declined one (he was a B at PF, B+ at SF).  He declined one from TC, and one from the position change, not two from TC.
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2007, 07:03:51 AM »

Looking back on my deals that seemed like slam dunks and that I thought lined me up to be a premium team in the east for a long time....

Woot had a nice camp; Hubbard looks just as good as before; Kersey improved - Tobey -1. I still take Tobey of course....

F.Johnson looks the same - C.Rob didn't bump in offensive ratings at the three like I hoped; Curry stayed the same. Jury's out on this one - at least I ended up with some cap flex.

Schmalz is holding kinda strong (-1DEF where it matters for him) - Fleischer improved his REB I think. This deal allowed me the cap space to sign Outlaw the guard, who I really like - so I'm fine with this one too.

FSanders stayed about the same - Kenny Walker the same. Slew of picks remain on Raps stack.

Looked like a great chance to really step forward (my mistake was banking on POT helping out right away - I've learned that lesson now), but I think we're probably less strong than we were last year, and at least not as good as I hoped this year. With Pistons looking superb, Hornets looking great, and Pacers having anomaly-type developments from some guys, looks much the same in the East - a dog-fight.

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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2007, 07:19:28 AM »

sorry, bods, of course i noticed Munson.
but it would be half the fun ripping you if i had mentioned ...
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the position changes i didn't take into account so far, though.
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