Orlando extension

[CelticsGM]

Celtics extend Orlando Woolridge for 1 year for $450

thanks.

[CelticsGM]

btw, I would hope this extension is still possible to buy since no extension offers have been sent out (or published) yet.

[PacersGM]

no.

If you want to purchase a contract extension, the request must be made to me before Sim 12.

[CelticsGM]

thank you.

[PacersGM]

thank you.

no idea what you mean. read the rules. that is nothing against you or your team. we had this rule now since we had the bank system installed. several gms had their extension in before sim 12. i already send the extensions to bods on sat.

[CelticsGM]

the reason we made that rule (and if i remember correctly, i "invented" it for DJSL and bods later "adopted" it for SSBA) is to prevent teams from extending players that do NOT offer a contract extension. That's why in DJSL the time limit is "before the start playoffs" (aka before player resign offers are sent out)

I didn't realize until now the rule here moves the deadline even further into the season, sorry.
But i wanted to make sure to get the extension in BEFORE the resign offers are sent out (or made available) to stay in line with the REASON for the rule.

[CelticsGM]

the reason we made that rule ... is to prevent teams from extending players that do NOT offer a contract extension ...

and let me add: "and to prevent teams from resigning guys cheaply that make HUGE RESIGN OFFERS".

that's probably the main reason, not being able to wait on someone offers and THEN ignoring the players desire and getting him back for more or less the rookie pay sclae.

[PacersGM]

true but i still can´t understand why you didn´t resign him for cheap right after the deadline has passed.
by the way orlando made an offer so you still have the chance to resign him.

[CelticsGM]

probably because i thought about next season only when this one was over and i knew if i made the playoffs with this team or not. i have troubles with deadlines here apparently ...

and I know i can resign him, and i know it will most likely cost me 4 times as much.

but of course i will accept the commissioner's ruling.

[CelticsGM]

btw, as I had expected Orlando is asking for a max contract (exactly the scenario I was trying to avoid with this extension)


and on a personal note:
i know i messed up with my - looking back at it - silly request for the trade deadline to be moved. I was wrong then, it would have been unfair to the other GMs. And I'm equally certain that THIS request here - made yesterday - did by no means violate the REASON why we have a deadline for the extension, thus I believe the league office is wrong here ...

i find it very unfortunate that SSBA is slowly developing into some sort of league where EVERTHING needs to be covered by rules, all procedures are subject to strict regulations, and common sense is more or less ignored. Rules are necessary, rules are good, but sometimes a little sure instinct wouldn't hurt ...

[PacersGM]

maybe just try to see it from my point of view. currently my life is full of work. the only way that i can still manage the simming is that  i still folllow my time schedule. i can´t wait and ask every guy if he missed any deadline or extensions. IMO it is much easier for you to adjust to the small rules that we have than for me to accept the bending of the rules.

[NetsGM]

Processing the extension during round 1 of the playoffs wouldn't have caused any extra work or wait.  I kinda agree with CelticsGM here.  I'm not so much of a "this is the rules, period" kinda guy.  I have a hard-stance on the trade deadline, not because it's a deadline, but because keeping the deadline the same is the fairest way for all the teams.  The reason the "no extensions after the playoffs" rule is in effect is so people can't wait to see if their free agent makes them an offer before purchasing the extension.  To force a decision.  If the  extensions haven't been sent out, I don't think it's an unfair advantage nor is it more work to have the extension go through.

JMO.

[PacersGM]

it is more work since i checked the extensions already. ok it isn´t much but it is more work.
and again why do we have the rule then?
for me it is a clear deadline after that i can start my work for the extensions. of course we can move it back to PO rd 1 no problem. but again after that no exceptions are allowed.
i had several extensions before sim12 and i would have accepted the celtics extension if he had a vacation or something else anounced.
but he decided it was more important to get back into the POs than sending me a message.

[NetsGM]

and again why do we have the rule then?

To force someone into making the decision on purchasing an extension before the player makes the extension offer.  It makes purchasing the extension somewhat of a tough decision.

i.e., let's take Celtics Example.  He's got Woolridge coming up as an expiring player.  Good player.  Someone he wants to keep.  He'd prefer to lock him up to a longterm deal, but he doesn't want to commit max money to him.  He could either purchase an extension, but then only have him on a 1-year deal, and risk losing out on low-end multi-year offer Woolridge makes, or he could not purchase an extension and wait until extension offers come out, but risk Woolridge not making an extesion or making a max offer.  He's really let with two outcomes:
- Purchase an extension, spend money, only get a 1 year deal, but get it cheaply.
- Don't purchase an extension, save money, but hope he makes a reasonable extension offer.  Risk the player entering free agency.

If you allow someone to purchase extensions after the player offers are sent out, they can determine if the person makes an acceptable offer, and THEN decide it's time to purchase an extension if they don't.  The deadline is there to prevent that.  As long as you're not allowed to purchase extensions after player offers are sent out, mission accomplished.

for me it is a clear deadline after that i can start my work for the extension

You don't have to wait until extension purchases are finished to start the extensions.  You could just delete the players offer after an extension is purchased.

[HornetsGM]

I appreciate the results that the Pacers approach has achieved -- on time sims, few reported errors in simming, etc. This is the kind of policy determination, efficiency v. flexibility, that a commissioner should be able to make, imo.

I think we have to worry about the overall frustration level a commissioner might experience as well. Sure, it's not much more work for him, but one concession/extension leads to complaining for more exceptions to the rules.