Preseason sim 2 up

[KingsGM-old]

http://www.basketballreference.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=PHI&lg=n&yr=1996
AI (#1 pick)
DC (#1 pick)
Stackhouse (#3 pick)
Clarence Weatherspoon (#9 pick)
Michael Cage (#14 pick)

That's not quite what you're looking for, but it's 2 #1 picks, a #3 pick, and another top 10 pick that won 22 games.
The year before that team also had Sharone Wright (6th pick), Shawn Bradley (2nd pick), Stackhouse (#3 pick), DC (#1 pick), and Weatherspoon (#9 pick) and won 18 games.  That's a 1st pick, 2nd pick, 3rd pick, 6th pick and 9th pick.

2002 clippers had Elton Brand (#1 pick), Olowokandi (#1 pick), Lamar Odom (#4 pick), Maggette (#13 pick), Andre Miller (8th pick), Chris Wilcox (8th pick), Keyon Dooling (10th pick) and Melvin Ely (12th pick) and won 27 games.  That's 2 #1 picks, a #4 pick, 2 #8 picks, #10 pick, #12 pick, and #13 pick.

I could find more, but I have better things to do with my time.

You're using the wrong examples. Most of these players were just a rookies or sophs back then so off course their teams didn't do well. But in AI's fifth year Philly was already a respectable team (granted, there were other changes as well, no doubt). As you can see, it's Birds 6th year, Bill's 5th, Magic's 5th, Carroll's 4th. They're almost a veterans!

I had one (1) top 5 pick during that time.  The rest of the team was built with FA signings (Okafor, Billups, Boykins, Battier), trades (Dalembert, Dunleavy), or late lottery picks (Lord).  I don't even think Pettit was my most valuable player that team.

You're saying you would have won a title without Pettit? Or that Pettit was just a 17ppg player?

I don't see how you can call me a hypocrit when I'm in the EXACT same position as you. 

No. Off course you're not. You just took over a team. I'm building this team for like 5 season. And if my top prospects are in like their 5th or 6th season i want some fucking results! For Gods sake, Mcgrady in Magic & Bird's age was already tearing up the league and was able to lead me to the playoffs even when i had pretty mediocre team.

I have a #6 pick in James Worthy, who by your estimation should be great since he was very good in real life, who isn't doing shit and has been a huge bust.

Another bust? I can't belive!

Again, point out where I'm a hypocrit. 

In a sense that you had like only ONE top pick and the guy led you to the multiple titles. And i have five top picks, can't make the playoffs and you question my sense for logic. Sorry, if i have 5 of them i want at least one of them to be a stud! Am i asking too much?

Difference is I don't bitch and moan about it.  Instead, I find ways to win.

Cause you don't have a reason. You won your share of titles and you have yet to see what is like when all of your hopes turns to dust cause the league can't produce a single franchise players. You build and build, make trades, create...all for nothing.

Find ways to play with my settings (you can ask Tom, HornetsGM and WarriorsGM how much data collection I used to do to know exactly how EVERY player in the league played) and mix and match lineups to find ones that work.  I find that to be a better tactic than bitching and moaning.

I work from 8-4. When i get home this is probably the last thing i'd do. This game should be much simplier and not only for people who're a programers or working on computers. At least that's how i see things.

[CelticsGM]

let's repeat and slightly modify my last stance:

... if you took your Kings team here in reality, it would have had a hard time making the playoffs in the NBA NOW. Maybe back then when nobody played defense, but as we've learned that's how you build winners in FBB ...

[CelticsGM]

so what exactly are you mad about?

you know your defense sucks so winning it can't be.
you have 5 scorers and wonder why none averages 30ppg ? Can't be.
you wonder why Magic and Bird don't rip the league? get them the right teammates and they might.

oh, maybe you wonder how many titles and MVP awards the real Bird would have won when drafted by the Clippers? Zero, i guess ...

[SpursGM-old]

Kings...a couple thoughts.

Your backup SG (15.6 minutes) averages more blocks than your starting center does in 36.4 minutes.

You give up a difference of 6+ rebounds per game.  In short you have no rebounders - Carroll with a B- rating is your best.

Tom is right...you have built a team that is mostly offensive minded.  You drafted/traded based on name recognition and not based on needs, position or talent evaluation.  Without defense or rebounding you may slip into the playoffs but will never succeed.

[KingsGM-old]

Obviously not.  Your starting lineup consists of B B B+ B A- defenders.  And you wonder why you can't stop anyone.  Block a shot, my lord.

Um..no shit. Like i didn't say several times how my defense is a total disaster. Which off course leads us to next question; How come none of the top picks can't play a lick of D? And how many good defenders are in the league? Last time i asked for people like Moncrief or Herb Williams etc, their price was...well...ugh.

And second, is it really true you have to be a great defensive team in NBA to make the friggin playoffs? Mavs were a laughable defensive team (Nash & Dirk era) for years and were at the same time a 60 W team. So were the Suns, Wizards and many other teams.

[NetsGM]

You're using the wrong examples. Most of these players were just a rookies or sophs back then so off course their teams didn't do well. But in AI's fifth year Philly was already a respectable team (granted, there were other changes as well, no doubt). As you can see, it's Birds 6th year, Bill's 5th, Magic's 5th, Carroll's 4th. They're almost a veterans!

Brand was in his 5th year.  Maggette his 4th.  Olowokandi his 5th.  Andre Miller his 4th.  Lamar Odom his 4th.

In 1995 DC was in his 6th, Weatherspoon his 4th, Bradley his 4th. 

In a sense that you had like only ONE top pick and the guy led you to the multiple titles. And i have five top picks, can't make the playoffs and you question my sense for logic

Yes, I do question your logic.  Look over Tom and my post again.  It's pretty evident that you're missing key ingredients on building a team, and that my championship teams were very much not 5 scorers who knew how to defender.  My #2 scorer (Okafor) was a guy who could never have been a #1 option, and even as a #2 option struggled with inefficiency.  Players need to fill roles.  Your players do not complement each other at all.

Cause you don't have a reason. You won your share of titles and you have yet to see what is like when all of your hopes turns to dust cause the league can't produce a single franchise players. You build and build, make trades, create...all for nothing.

Maybe you missed DJSL.  Tracy walking pretty much put my hopes to dust.

I work from 8-4. When i get home this is probably the last thing i'd do. This game should be much simplier and not only for people who're a programers or working on computers. At least that's how i see things.

boo-hoo.  I'm a Linux Admin.  I'm on call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.  Last week I put in 60 hours at work.  What I was doing (data collection) doesn't take programmers.  If you know how to open excel, it can be done.  Heck, with the right amount of time, you can do it with pen, paper, and a calculator.

A simple sim is not the sim I want to play.

[NetsGM]

Kings...a couple thoughts.

Your backup SG (15.6 minutes) averages more blocks than your starting center does in 36.4 minutes.

You give up a difference of 6+ rebounds per game.  In short you have no rebounders - Carroll with a B- rating is your best.

Tom is right...you have built a team that is mostly offensive minded.  You drafted/traded based on name recognition and not based on needs, position or talent evaluation.  Without defense or rebounding you may slip into the playoffs but will never succeed.

quiet.  Nothing's ever his fault.  Bird should be putting up 35 ppg.

[CelticsGM]

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You drafted/traded based on name recognition and not based on needs, position or talent evaluation. ...

and that's the funny part, this team and players behave exactly how they would in reality ...
 

[KnicksGM-old4]

I have a team with quite a few well-rated defenders, but no shot-blocker. Hence, my oFG% is third worst in the league this preseason.  I'm even considering running Greenwood out at center this year. But I've accepted  that the Knicks will be a marginal playoff team at best until I can draft or trade for a Mega Beast.

[ClippersGM-old]

Wow. And I read all this.

Hawks please come back and run a sim! lol

Jk, discussions are good once in a while.

[ClippersGM-old]

Btw... to tell you the truth... I have a starting lineup with 2 #2 picks, a #3 pick and a #4 pick. So this is the 90s Clippers for real. Hahaha. Well, still have sweet memories of Brand, Gordon, Maggette, Chandler, Brown and co. Now on to the future.

[HornetsGM]

Making that 17 hyper-active GMs, 6 active GMs, one semi-active GMs and one missing Commissioner and simmer.
 

The rest of the teams (Grizzlies, Lakers, Bulls and Wolves) apparently run on cpu control as of now, might be the time to do some recruiting since the new season is about to kick off ...

I'm around. I'm studying for the Bar Exam, so I don't have a whole lot of time, plus I have limited internet access. I usually check in daily, but I was away this past weekend.

[KingsGM-old]

... if you took your Kings team here in reality, it would have had a hard time making the playoffs in the NBA NOW. Maybe back then when nobody played defense, but as we've learned that's how you build winners in FBB ...

Are you insane? Magic, Bird, Chambers, Carrol and Cartwright lineup would suck? Oh my god...

Maybe back then when nobody played defense

 :rrofl:This is the least defensive era i can remember in awhile. Who the hell would guard Bird or Magic with all these hand checking rules?!

[KingsGM-old]

Kings...a couple thoughts.

Your backup SG (15.6 minutes) averages more blocks than your starting center does in 36.4 minutes.

You give up a difference of 6+ rebounds per game.  In short you have no rebounders - Carroll with a B- rating is your best.

Tom is right...you have built a team that is mostly offensive minded.  You drafted/traded based on name recognition and not based on needs, position or talent evaluation.  Without defense or rebounding you may slip into the playoffs but will never succeed.

You people are hillarious. Like i'm not aware of my team's problems. Ask Knicks, Grizzlies or Wizards GM's how many times i've asked about Moncrief, Greenwood or Herb Williams. All good defenders.

Yeah, i don't realize i suck at rebounds and defense. And that's EXACTLY what bothers me. Why can't a #5 in the draft, big man in his 5th year (Cartwright) rebound? Or play defense? Why can't a 2nd overall pick big guy like Carrol rebound, or defend. Or even score? Why can't Tom Chambers do none of it?? That's exactly the problem! If they're top picks they GOT TO do at least something, no?!

[KingsGM-old]

Btw... to tell you the truth... I have a starting lineup with 2 #2 picks, a #3 pick and a #4 pick.

Prepare yourself for mediocricy for the next 10 years. Having good picks here is not something you can build your future on. Not here.

Well, still have sweet memories of Brand, Gordon, Maggette, Chandler, Brown and co. Now on to the future.

Well, that's what they are. A memories. I have couple of them as well. When people like Bibby, Mcgrady, Duncan, Camby etc played like they were supposed to play. They didn't suck. Good ol days.