Preseason sim 2 up

[PacersGM]

As i said million times, if you're an idiot, and take a complete no namer such as Darko Milicic over people like Wade or Carmelo etc, that by no means is a sign of a weak draft. JWill was injured so you can't call him a bust, Brown is a gigantic mistake by Jordan and Curry ain't that bad at all. He could be a very valuable player on a right team.

do we now talk about the quality of gms picking or just about top 5 picks not turning out like they should. you always can miss with a pick in the top 5. i am sure in the last 20 years no one in the top 5 would be drafted again in that order if you draft them now and know their future. At the time of darkos draft there was absolutly no one who would have taken wade over darko. most believed wade would fall to the bulls at 7.

Reeves - career ending injurie. 2 man alone, specially so young aren't enough in the tough west. I don't have 2 high picks, i have five, FIVE! And some of them are already veterans!

yea and how long do they play together and lets be honest 2 of the 3 are at best role players. 1 isn´t even a starter.

and bulls had high picks like jwill, chandler, curry, fizer, crawford and we all know they are no at least all stars after 4 plus seasons...

Those players were either injured or traded. How do you know Bulls wouldn't have been a playoff team had they kept that core together?

they played together long enough. fizer is already out of the league, chandler and curry might be something in 5 years but like you said after 4 years they should be better. crawford is a nice player if you like watching countless shots but after several seasons we all knew now he never will be more than a good bench player.
If you count the last 8 years the bulls had something like 10 top 10 picks and only 2 maybe 3 are good enough to be called all stars soon.

[NetsGM]

I don't know why you bother arguing with him.  There's logic, then there's KingsGM.  Just accept that they're not the same and move on.

[PacersGM]

I don't know why you bother arguing with him.  There's logic, then there's KingsGM.  Just accept that they're not the same and move on.

maybe i needed at little action here..

[CelticsGM]

*lol*

well, at least I can understand his request. when you draft certain names, and even if they are "only" created throught their statistics, you have certain expectations, since it can be expected these statistics are sometimes accomplished too (like when Bird got drafted this season in DJSL you expected more than the 9/9 on 36% he put up in preseason)

but

people need certain surroundings to maximise their potential. Look at the Kings more closely. The have a pure shooter in Short who should get the rock a lot (but only takes 8 shots a game), they have a C and PF in Bill and JBC both taking around 15 shots a game (shooting in the low 40ies), they have Magic shooting 13 times and they have Bird shooting 17 times. Overall the Kings are 6th worst in shot attempts, not just the greatest stat when your defense is a weak link and outscoring the opponent might be the best strategy.

This is FIVE offensive minded players ... and no way any of these can ever score like 25ppg on this team.
They do get to the line a lot, but 3pt shooting is atrocious, 3rd worst in SSBA.

So IMO this team is not only missing a few role players to do the diry work, the Bruce Bowens of the league, but also game settings to maximise the output. This team is young and full of scorers, it should run the opposition into the ground ...

[WizardsGM]

The moral of the story is...............





Tom Chambers>>all

[KingsGM-old]

do we now talk about the quality of gms picking or just about top 5 picks not turning out like they should. you always can miss with a pick in the top 5. i am sure in the last 20 years no one in the top 5 would be drafted again in that order if you draft them now and know their future. At the time of darkos draft there was absolutly no one who would have taken wade over darko. most believed wade would fall to the bulls at 7.

Darko was a COMPLETE RISK. He wasn't even a name in Europe! Hell, Blazers could pick me instead of Oden and say "fuck, this draft is a complete garbage!!" Get it?

they played together long enough. fizer is already out of the league, chandler and curry might be something in 5 years but like you said after 4 years they should be better. crawford is a nice player if you like watching countless shots but after several seasons we all knew now he never will be more than a good bench player.
If you count the last 8 years the bulls had something like 10 top 10 picks and only 2 maybe 3 are good enough to be called all stars soon.

Even if that's true, can you name ONE other team in the last, like 25 years, that had five top 5 picks in their lineup and couldn't made the playoffs?

[KingsGM-old]

I don't know why you bother arguing with him.  There's logic, then there's KingsGM.  Just accept that they're not the same and move on.

Says a guy whose previous top pick landed him a 5 titles. I wonder how many titles you would have won had Garret Pettit sucked. Says a guy whose entire starting five played on a all star level.

What a hipocrisy.

[KingsGM-old]

*lol*

well, at least I can understand his request.

It's not a request. It's a question.

How can you win a title if you have a lineup of #1, #2, #2, #4 and #5 pick in the draft and you can't even make the playoffs? How can you win a title if FA sucks more and more each and every year?

How can you win a title if 90% of the top picks have no impact on the game and you're lucky if you get some scrub through FA who's capable of 10ppg with B- defense?

Oh, and if i have nothing to do with logic can someone answer me a questions i asked like 10 times before and no one gave me a slight answer;

Do we have a new Tracy Mcgrady in this league?
Do we have a new Shaq?
Do we have a new Shawn Marion?
Do we have a new Dirk Nowitzki?
Do we have a new Garrett Pettit?
Do we have a new Emeka Okafor?
Do we have a new Jermaine O'Neil?
Do we have a new Yao Ming?
Do we have a new Ben Wallace?
Who's the next Rafel Araujo?
Who's the next Dwight Howard?
Who's the next Tim Duncan?
Who's the next Kirilenko?
Who's the next Ray Allen?

Damn right you can't answer those questions, cause we DON'T.

But don't bother, i understand. Too much talents could severely damage this league. It is something we should seriously stay away from.

Geez...you all must have sucked big time as players.

[KingsGM-old]

(like when Bird got drafted this season in DJSL you expected more than the 9/9 on 36% he put up in preseason)

And you wonder why i decline your invitations to join back your league?

[CelticsGM]

just because a GM doesn't know how to utilize his players doesn'T mean they are bad.
Bird will easily average 25ppg in his 4th or 5th season, if he is the main focus of the team and has the right supporting cast.

Look at what Kobe, TMac, Jermaine and a lot more averaged in their first 2-3 seasons in the NBA.

[KingsGM-old]

just because a GM doesn't know how to utilize his players doesn'T mean they are bad.

So i knew how to utilize people like Hoffa, Mcgrady, Duncan, Bibby or even Marbury but i can't do the same with Magic, Bird, Chambers, Carroll etc? Ok, if you say so.

Bird will easily average 25ppg in his 4th or 5th season, if he is the main focus of the team and has the right supporting cast.

He would? How come he averaged pitifull 17ppg last year for the Knicks and 20ppg as A FIRST option this preseason? He needs a proper supporting cast? How come Tmac was simply unstopable playin with the likes of Drew Gooden, Brad Miller and friggin Danny Fortson?

Look at what Kobe, TMac, Jermaine and a lot more averaged in their first 2-3 seasons in the NBA.

It's Bird's 6th season and he's already 27. How long do i have to wait? Until he's 42? Just 15 more seasons? Great, good to know.

[NetsGM]

Even if that's true, can you name ONE other team in the last, like 25 years, that had five top 5 picks in their lineup and couldn't made the playoffs?

http://www.basketballreference.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=PHI&lg=n&yr=1996
AI (#1 pick)
DC (#1 pick)
Stackhouse (#3 pick)
Clarence Weatherspoon (#9 pick)
Michael Cage (#14 pick)

That's not quite what you're looking for, but it's 2 #1 picks, a #3 pick, and another top 10 pick that won 22 games.
The year before that team also had Sharone Wright (6th pick), Shawn Bradley (2nd pick), Stackhouse (#3 pick), DC (#1 pick), and Weatherspoon (#9 pick) and won 18 games.  That's a 1st pick, 2nd pick, 3rd pick, 6th pick and 9th pick.

2002 clippers had Elton Brand (#1 pick), Olowokandi (#1 pick), Lamar Odom (#4 pick), Maggette (#13 pick), Andre Miller (8th pick), Chris Wilcox (8th pick), Keyon Dooling (10th pick) and Melvin Ely (12th pick) and won 27 games.  That's 2 #1 picks, a #4 pick, 2 #8 picks, #10 pick, #12 pick, and #13 pick.

I could find more, but I have better things to do with my time.

Says a guy whose previous top pick landed him a 5 titles. I wonder how many titles you would have won had Garret Pettit sucked. Says a guy whose entire starting five played on a all star level.

What a hipocrisy.

I had one (1) top 5 pick during that time.  The rest of the team was built with FA signings (Okafor, Billups, Boykins, Battier), trades (Dalembert, Dunleavy), or late lottery picks (Lord).  I don't even think Pettit was my most valuable player that team.  Also, I won 3 titles, not 5.

Look at what I did in DJSL.  I was a perennial playoff team, and had Tracy not walked, I probably would have won a title there too.  You didn't see my bitch and whine that my 25/12 PF walked though.

I don't see how you can call me a hypocrit when I'm in the EXACT same position as you.  I currently am a bad team (I'll be lucky to win 30 games) that desperately needs a big man and a star.  I'll need to do it through the draft and through free agency, where I have cap room but this past year wasn't able to use it.  I have a #6 pick in James Worthy, who by your estimation should be great since he was very good in real life, who isn't doing shit and has been a huge bust.

Again, point out where I'm a hypocrit.  Difference is I don't bitch and moan about it.  Instead, I find ways to win.  Find ways to play with my settings (you can ask Tom, HornetsGM and WarriorsGM how much data collection I used to do to know exactly how EVERY player in the league played) and mix and match lineups to find ones that work.  I find that to be a better tactic than bitching and moaning.

[NetsGM]

So i knew how to utilize people like Hoffa, Mcgrady, Duncan, Bibby or even Marbury but i can't do the same with Magic, Bird, Chambers, Carroll etc? Ok, if you say so.

Obviously not.  Your starting lineup consists of B B B+ B A- defenders.  And you wonder why you can't stop anyone.  Block a shot, my lord.

The cavs won by collecting depth and using it correctly.  Yours is a team of mix-matched talent that doesn't form a semblance of a team.

[CelticsGM]

and on the other topic: let's take a look at the Nest aka 2014 (their last of THREE titles)

this is their team:

Garrett Pettit	SG	82	39.8	31.6	6.6	3.8	2.8	0.6	3.4	.483	.915	.438
Lincoln Lord	PG	80	38.2	19.5	4.3	10.2	1.7	0.2	1.7	.453	.955	.414
Emeka Okafor	C	76	35.9	18.5	13.8	2.6	1.3	3.3	2.6	.429	.673	.000
Trent Kundla	SF	82	30.0	11.0	4.1	3.0	1.4	0.4	2.0	.479	.849	.441
Samuel Dalembert	C	82	31.1	7.1	10.1	1.5	0.8	3.9	1.0	.445	.664	.000

their main role players were Dunleavy (26mpg, 8ppg, 5rpg), Milicic (20mpg, 5ppg, 6rpg) and Gooden (15mpg, 4ppg, 6rpg) who did little but defend. That whole team was built with 2 superstars, 1 above average PG, and 2 role players for defense.

I see zero similarity to the team you built.

It's news to me that Bird, Magic, and especially Short and JBC were good defenders in reality. Cartwright was long and disruptive, but no good defender. Chambers was offense only.

Your team lacks some fundamental parts for succeeding, IMO. I believe, if you took this team here in reality, you would have had a hard time making the playoffs in the NBA ... much like here.

and that's no joke ...
 

[WizardsGM]

Unfortunately for Kings, it looks like Derek just owned him, rather badly.