With the 8th pick

[RaptorsGM]

You already drafted!

Who said I'm keeping the player? Same thing, lol.

Hmm..so perhaps Shenck is included in this deal you have brewing...

[BullsGM-old]

^ That would be funny if he traded Hobson + somethin else for Schenik

[CavsGM]

You already drafted!

Who said I'm keeping the player? Same thing, lol.

Hmm..so perhaps Shenck is included in this deal you have brewing...

Perhaps...

[GoldenStateGM]

i think mercer might be better than hinrich

And I think you are batty for suggesting it.. lol
Hinrich's A- handles makes him one of about 10 players that has an A- handle.
His outside shooting also makes him deadly from the perimeter.
And he has 8 inches over Mercer.  Mercer is going to be the test for us SSBA newbies as to how important height is.

Mercer very well may lead the league in steals at one point, with that great defense.  But he will have problems defending PG's one on one...  I cannot wait to see Ellis with his B- inside vs. Mercer...  That will be a very telling matchup.

But Mercer and Speedy is a very nice PG combo, especially for a running team.

[NetsGM]

Hinrich might have an A- handles but he's only running a 2.4/1 assist to turnover ratio.  And he may have however many more inches, he's still not a good defender.

Hinrich has great attributes, but not all guys with great attributes become good players.  I need to see Hinrich produce greatness (IMO right now he's produced solid) before I proclaim his as greatness.

[GoldenStateGM]

Hinrich might have an A- handles but he's only running a 2.4/1 assist to turnover ratio.  And he may have however many more inches, he's still not a good defender.

Hinrich has great attributes, but not all guys with great attributes become good players.  I need to see Hinrich produce greatness (IMO right now he's produced solid) before I proclaim his as greatness.

I, do not think he is great, not yet at least...  He needs two more bumps in defense to even contemplate being called a franchise player, and that is not likely to happen.
He may never get beyond very good, but that is enough for me.

This year, I think he will definitely average more assists, and his points will definitely be up.  (He will be my 2nd option, and on the Bulls he went from the #1 option to not an option during the year.)

My team shot 44.2% last year, with Speedy as my primary point.  I expect that to be a half point to a point higher with Hinrich, especially if Biedrins and/or JRich improves.

BTW last years assist leaders, generally considered the best point guards in the league...

Player            APG   TOPG   A:TO
Baron Davis    10      4.2      2.38
Sam Cassel    9.9     3.1      3.20
Jason Kidd      9.7     3.8      2.55
Jason Terry     9.6     3.3      2.91
Damon Jones  9.0     1.4      6.42

Damon Jones is insane...  Helps to pass to Shaq alot.  Cassel also very good...   2.5-3.0 should be considered pretty darn good for a point.

[NetsGM]

I wouldn't consider those guys among the best ballhandlers in the league.  Best overall pg's, sure, but not best ballhandlers (with the exception of jones).

[GoldenStateGM]

Well for you, with Emeka and Pettit as your dominant scorers, you probably do not want anyone else touching the ball.  Inside outside combo galore..  

I, on the other hand, have the odd pleasure of having a SG who is good inside, and not very good outside.  So I need a player who can hit the outside shot, in order to make my team work well offensively (aka Kyle Korver)   .

[NetsGM]

Leagues Top Ballhandlers:
http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=675&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

League average in assist to turnover is actual 2.57, so Hinrich is below average in that category.   He's 22nd among starters in Minutes between TO's, 24th in a/to, 8th in steals/to.

[GoldenStateGM]

Actually, you looked at the wrong player

Hinrich is 17th in minutes per turnover, 13th in assists per turnover, and 25th in steal per turnover...

Love the chart...  very interesting information, appreciate you sharing with us.

[NetsGM]

Yeah, I looked at Banks.

Oops  

It is interesting.  IMO it's best to show what is defined as good and bad for a pg.

IMO the best part of that chart is knowing what the league average for a/to is.  Also knowing the 6.42 assists/game average for starters.

[GoldenStateGM]

Yeah, I looked at Banks.

Oops  

It is interesting.  IMO it's best to show what is defined as good and bad for a pg.

IMO the best part of that chart is knowing what the league average for a/to is.  Also knowing the 6.42 assists/game average for starters.

Actually, you did not normalize for minutes in that assists/game

Normalize at 35 mpg, and the average is actually 6.96.. (Van Exel screws it up)

When you change everything over to a per minute basis (assists, steals, and to's) the numbers come out significantly different.

[NetsGM]

For the most part I wasn't looking to.  That's the only part that's dependent on minutes, all the rankings aren't.  I don't really look at straight apg when looking at a pg, a/to is my big worry.

[GoldenStateGM]

For the most part I wasn't looking to.  That's the only part that's dependent on minutes, all the rankings aren't.  I don't really look at straight apg when looking at a pg, a/to is my big worry.

Understandable...
But that it would appear that any point that is good at scoring and is a significant scoring option will automatically have more turnovers.

The more a player has the ball, the more likely they are to turn it over.

Say Steve Nash was not a primary offensive option...  Bet his TO's would go down a bit.

[NetsGM]

Well, Daniels will be my 3rd option this year.  We shall see (barring me getting someone great at sf).