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« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2007, 03:27:27 PM »

what bothers me are the assumptions he's made and that he knows how the league is run.  It also bothers me that he brought this up AFTER the draft had started, and not beforehand.  I think that I have shown that I will spend countless hours making improvements for the league.  On the request last night, I did so right away.  I changed the entire way true potentials are found within 30 minutes.  It's not that I don't think the league has flaws.  I'm more than willing to accept them.  We've made multiple changes from the urges of GM's, not commish's.  it's the way he brought it up that annoys me.

Like I said, the assumptions also annoy me.  When I make the draft file, I do not view the true potential of every player that is created.  CelticsGM and I have gone to pretty good lengths to make a system that does not give us that advantage.  And the fact that he's criticizing an advantage that he thinks I gain, but that I don't, pisses me off.

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It's also nice to know that you are "slightly concerned with making this a fair environment".  I hope that is a joke... for the sake of other GMs in this league.  I know that for me fairness is the first priority.

That would be a slight sense of sarcasm.  The comment was made tongue in cheek.  I don't think i would quit a league, and spending numerous hours a week still working on it, if I wasn't more than *slightly* concerned with its integrity.  Only a newcomer would make a statement like that.

I don't get an advantage by making the draft files.  And now I've removed any advantage by the buying of true potential systems.  Frankly,considering the work put in, I find his post insulting.
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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2007, 03:59:57 PM »

what bothers me are the assumptions he's made and that he knows how the league is run.  It also bothers me that he brought this up AFTER the draft had started, and not beforehand.  I think that I have shown that I will spend countless hours making improvements for the league.  On the request last night, I did so right away.  I changed the entire way true potentials are found within 30 minutes


Name one assumption that I have based an argument upon.  I do know how the league is run, you have been very open about explaining how it is run.  It is a fact that GMs in the past have asked you for true potential numbers, you have looked at that number, and relayed it to that GM.  Therefore, you also know this number.  That is another fact.  Please, correct me where I'm wrong  That has been the process of revealing true potential up until now, and this knowledge cannot be magically erased from your head.  It's there.

He's had plenty of time to complain about it, doing so now annoys me.

I never once complained about anything in this league.  Generally speaking I don't complain about things.  It is not my place as a newcomer to this league to complain about rules of a league that were already in place when I joined.  The only thing that changed since I joined is that you changed from commish to GM.  And to me having a GM with extra knowledge is not something that I like.  Therefore, I respectfully sent my resignation to the new commish effective whenever he could find a replacement.  I think the way I went about resigning was about as good as it gets.  Nowhere did I complain about anything.  I simply stated my reason for leaving.



Like I said, the assumptions also annoy me.  When I make the draft file, I do not view the true potential of every player that is created.  CelticsGM and I have gone to pretty good lengths to make a system that does not give us that advantage.  And the fact that he's criticizing an advantage that he thinks I gain, but that I don't, pisses me off.

We already know that you do not view true potentials when you create a draft file.  You have made that clear.  What is also clear is that you get that information revealed to you when other GMs asked for it in the past. You do have an advantage.  That is a fact.

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It's also nice to know that you are "slightly concerned with making this a fair environment".  I hope that is a joke... for the sake of other GMs in this league.  I know that for me fairness is the first priority.

That would be a slight sense of sarcasm.  I don't think i would quit a league, and spending numerous hours a week still working on it, if I wasn't more than *slightly* concerned with its integrity.  Only a newcomer would make a statement like that.

it is extremely difficult to decipher sarcasm from serious comments but I actually did pick up on that since the part you quoted alludes to the fact that I figured it was a joke.  But of course I couldn't be sure because you actually did implement a rule (revealing true potentials) which actually does interfere with the integrity of the league.  That is a fact.


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I don't get an advantage by making the draft files.  And now I've removed any advantage by the buying of true potential systems.  Frankly,considering the work put in, I find his post insulting.

funny you should talk about insults when you just finished calling me insane and paranoid a few posts back.  But that aside, you don't get an advantage by creating a draft file.  Again, nobody disputes that. 

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And now I've removed any advantage by the buying of true potential systems.

You just finished calling me paranoid and insane for suggesting that you gain an advantage, and then so soon after you admit that the advantage did in fact exist.  That is quite amusing to me.


P.S. Your league is great, and as far as I can tell you have 27 other GMs who think it is great too.  There is no need to argue against the facts that I have outlined.  The correct answer can be found on the Nuggets previous post.

Cheers.
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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2007, 04:24:02 PM »

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Name one assumption that I have based an argument upon

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well, its also you that made a bunch of draft files if I am not mistaken so you know several years worth of true potentials.  correct me if i'm wrong.

I would classify that as an assumption, heck, that's borderline an accusation.  It's certainly trying to paint the picture of having an advantage.

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funny you should talk about insults when you just finished calling me insane and paranoid a few posts back

I wasn't calling you insane.
I said you're insane if you think I can remember the true potential of players from the 2014 draft.  The point of that statement was not to call you insane, but to say there's no way I can remember something like that. That's far different than me directly calling you insane.  It's a figure of speech.

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You just finished calling me paranoid and insane for suggesting that you gain an advantage, and then so soon after you admit that the advantage did in fact exist.  That is quite amusing to me

I never said it wasn't an advantage.  I argued creating the draft files wasn't an advantage gained (and explained the process).  But I think my making the application to get the potentials was an admission it was a slight advantage to the commish, and I worked to fix it.

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I never once complained about anything in this league.  Generally speaking I don't complain about things.  It is not my place as a newcomer to this league to complain about rules of a league that were already in place when I joined.  The only thing that changed since I joined is that you changed from commish to GM.  And to me having a GM with extra knowledge is not something that I like.  Therefore, I respectfully sent my resignation to the new commish effective whenever he could find a replacement.  I think the way I went about resigning was about as good as it gets.

I don't.  In fact, this is the entire reason I'm upset.  I think the way you went about it stinks.  If you don't like something, say so.  Don't do so as you're on your way out, as a parting shot, swinging on your way out.

Meh.
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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2007, 04:29:26 PM »

I think you're overreacting Derek. He didnt make any swings until people swung at him first trying to argue the reasoning of him leaving. He has stated it is just a matter of personal opinion can we not just leave it at that? No drama = good for the league. Lots of drama = baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad.
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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2007, 04:34:19 PM »

Of course I overreacted(ing).  But two things upset me:
1) The manner in which he brought it up (which, to me, was in and of itself overly dramatic)
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well, its also you that made a bunch of draft files if I am not mistaken so you know several years worth of true potentials.  correct me if i'm wrong.

I'm just making my points.  And while they may be overly defensive, they are points I feel should be made.
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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2007, 04:56:03 PM »

This whole thing is getting blown out of proportion...I don't think SSBA is currently strong enough to handle a big controversy.

If WolvesGM wants to quit let him quit, and who gives a shit what his reasons are. He doesn't want to be in this league anymore, and that's that. Anything else is water under the bridge.
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« Reply #36 on: March 24, 2007, 05:00:57 PM »

There's no controversy.  There's a back and forth argument.  But that's different than a controversy.

A controversy would be if I changed Rupp's ratings after I drafted him Wink
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« Reply #37 on: March 24, 2007, 05:10:44 PM »

There's no controversy.  There's a back and forth argument.  But that's different than a controversy.

A controversy would be if I changed Rupp's ratings after I drafted him Wink

Oh I know, I just don't want to see this come down to a big debate. I've read the 3 pages and see no controvery, just a sibling (right?) debate.


And oh god...Shawn Rupp, the fictional man responsible for almost taking the legs right out from under SSBA. Does that Twan jackass still post on RealGM?
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« Reply #38 on: March 24, 2007, 05:14:48 PM »

I think the word you were looking for was civil.  WolvesGM is not my brother.

Well.

Not this WolvesGM at least.  Hah.
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« Reply #39 on: March 24, 2007, 06:59:20 PM »

I think the word you were looking for was civil.  WolvesGM is not my brother.

Well.

Not this WolvesGM at least.  Hah.


Haha no I was looking for sibling, I couldn;t remember if your brother had quit or not.
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« Reply #40 on: March 25, 2007, 02:17:51 AM »

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well, its also you that made a bunch of draft files if I am not mistaken so you know several years worth of true potentials.  correct me if i'm wrong.

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I would classify that as an assumption, heck, that's borderline an accusation.  It's certainly trying to paint the picture of having an advantage.

What you quoted me as saying is far from an assumption.  I said "if I am not mistaken..." and "...correct me if I'm wrong".  I asked for clarification twice in those two sentences.  I don't know what more you want.  I tried to be as respectful as possible, and specifically made sure not to make assumptions about things that I knew nothing about.
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