Preseason sim2 discussion

[KingsGM-old]

Well your entire post is such a idiocy that i don't even know where to start.

But, in short;

Bulls - completely healthy the entire season: 26-20 (wooooooow, what a powerhouse)
Nets - completely cripled with injuries (Jefferson and their ONLY reliable big man Krstic): 22-24.

I'm done with you. Bulls are a JOKE.

[MagicGM]

VC to Orlando.

I think Gordon's defense hurts the bulls too.

[MavsGM]

And talking Bulls: Kirk is their best man defender, kind of a Bruce Bowen with handles and a shot, who can (and has to) run a team apart from defending. But the most deserving guy, responsible for the majority of their wins, is 22ppg Ben Gordon. He's shooting a better % from everywhere than Carter and does it for a winning team.

Sorry, but Carter is just living from his past achievements nowadays.
(similar to Stevie Non-Franchise, who got more allstar votes than Rip Hamilton !!!!)
 

I stop reading the rest when you compared Kirk to Bruce.

[WizardsGM]

Hey dont knock the Raptors. 10-5 last month!!

[CelticsGM]

I stop reading the rest when you compared Kirk to Bruce.

then you make a big mistake.

Hey it's pretty tough to play great man to man defense when great help defenders like Ginobili and Duncan are there to get you additional protection. And when your "offense" consists on throwing up 5 treys a game. Sure Bowen is still better but Kirk has to cover BOTH ends of the floor.

Kirk and Bowen are probably the only ones (or among a handful) in the league who can keep Dwyane down consistently, proven over and over and over again.

[KingsGM-old]

Hey it's pretty tough to play great man to man defense when great help defenders like Ginobili and Duncan are there to get you additional protection. And when your "offense" consists on throwing up 5 treys a game. Sure Bowen is still better but Kirk has to cover BOTH ends of the floor.

Um..ever heard of this guy called Ben Wallace?

[CelticsGM]

as Stevei Kerr called it: the only thing Ben Wallace has defended this season is his right to wear a headband. Sums it up pretty much what he's done for the Bulls so far.

They are 26-20 DESPITE him.

[CelticsGM]

btw, the Nets are 11-15 WITH Krstic and RJeff.
Playing power houses like New York, Toronto, Philly and Boston, the Nets have a losing record in the WORST division in the history of the NBA.

Ouch.

[BlazersGM]

unfortunately i have to agree with Tom on this one, Ivan stop talking crap, you're embarassing our family

[KingsGM-old]

btw, the Nets are 11-15 WITH Krstic and RJeff.
Playing power houses like New York, Toronto, Philly and Boston, the Nets have a losing record in the WORST division in the history of the NBA.

Ouch.

Ouch what?

At the begging of the season Bulls were looking fantastic as well. What was it? 4-13? 7-15?

[CelticsGM]

3-9.
that happens when you work 5 new players (Big Ben, PJ, Thabo, Tyrus, Kryhapa) in your rotation.

[KingsGM-old]

Well yeah, that's completely diferent team from the last year playoffs. When i first saw em, i was like...um...are those Bulls? Man, i can't recognize no one, that's ENTIRELY diferent team! I mean soooo much trades and signings, that's definitely a chemistry killer. It has to be. Actually the more i think of it, considering all the circumstances, 3-9 is actually a fantastic record. Mad props for them.

[SpursGM-old]

This thread has gotten way off topic.  If you want to talk about the NBA or all-star selections then start a new thread in the proper forum (off topic discussion)

[CelticsGM]

well, three things to consider:
1. The new people to work in include 2 starters and 2 key reserves.
2. From the first 12 games, 9 were played on the road (including a 5-game west coast trip)
3. The Bulls rely on TEAM PLAY (*) probably more than any other team in the league.

So 3-9 is a bullshit record, but considering these circumstances not completely surprising.
Going 23-11 since looks better (albeit on a home-laden schedule)


(*) Ivan, since you never heard of that concept, let me explain it this way: It includes NOT going one on five for 40 every night.

[KingsGM-old]

Whatever.

Kidd & Carter >>>>>>>>>> any player on a Bulls team.