Trade Agreements - A little clarification...

[Iverson2Korver43]

not sure if you remember this trade or not:

http://forums.ssbabasketball.com/index.php?topic=1867.0

but here is a little quote from Derek:

"Pet peeve time, and something to specify for future instances.

Obviously, I can't hold PistonsGM to the deal.  And I don't know exactly how it went down.  But for future trades, keep this in mind.

By definition, an "offer" is an agreement.  If the other party agrees to your offer, you have a contract.  It doesn't have to go back to you.  If I get a job offer from company Y, and accept it, I've got a job.

Therefore, if you want to present it as not an offer, you have to specifically state this this is only an "idea" in the originating pm.  Otherwise, it's an offer.

For future reference, specify whether it's an offer or an idea (and understand the difference between the two), otherwise I'll hold you to it.  And I can check the exact verbiage of any pm if I want to go into the database manually to do so."

So if you use the word "offer" you will go back in the PM's and hold them to the deal, but not when they say "Post it"...  I thought my original argument was more than enough to get something done, but you said you wouldn't even check my PM's...  It may seem like I am beating a dead horse, but a little clarification in the rules would be nice...  Not just for me, but for everyone...

[NetsGM]

Here's also a nice little rule:
http://kb.ssbabasketball.com/wiki/GM_Check-In_%28Rules%29

If you miss more than 1/2 of the Check-In's in a season (6 missed sims of the 12 sim regular season), I have the option to replace you as GM, regardless of if you respond to the e-mail. The decision will be based upon your reason for missing the sims and past history in the league. The missed DC's can also be marked as tanking (aka, abandoning your team to intentionally lose games), and can be subject to the penalties described in the Tanking Page

http://files.ssbabasketball.com/files/Check-In/2017_check-in.htm
PistonsGM     9

Maybe a little more activity and your team would be in slightly better shape.

Now, since we've both thrown out rules we think should be enforced, onto your situation.

I stated, explicitly to you, that my decision not to enforce it was because he had changed his mind in a very short time frame (8 minutes).  He did so before you posted, and before you had time where that agreed upon deal influenced your future decisions.  I don't want to get to the point where a player cannot change his mind whatsoever.

The post you referenced was different because he had agreed to a trade, it was posted, then he tried to change his mind.  I've also enforced it when a player agreed, then denies he agreed.  In the end, there is not, nor can there be, any concrete rules.  It's discretion from my part based on what I deem is the most fair.  The official rule is that if you say you agree, I can hold you to it.  This doesn't mean that I will 100% of the time, as it still depends on what I think is the best resolution.  He agreed, changed his mind before it was posted, and it went to arbitration, and I made my decision.  Live with it.

[KingsGM-old]

The missed DC's can also be marked as tanking (aka, abandoning your team to intentionally lose games), and can be subject to the penalties described in the Tanking Page

Look mom, there's a rule about me on the internet.

[KingsGM-old]

Btw What happened to "Can i post that" rule?

[Iverson2Korver43]

my team would be in better shape???  just because I didn't post a DC???  If you want to, replace me...  oh well...  He would have had no chance to change his mind if he didn't know who was available(which neither of us did when the trade was agreed upon)...  We were both taking a chance(it's not like the deal was created and cancelled within an hour...  This trade had been worked on for well over a day...  What if I had posted it in that 8 minute time frame, would it be valid???  So instead of living my life, I should sit here and refresh my SSBA Forum page every minute???  This is a joke...  You want to fire me, then so be it...  maybe I've already wasted to much time here...  Maybe It's not even really about the trade, it's the principle and the fact I have had a problem with the GrizzGM in past... 

[Iverson2Korver43]

Here's also a nice little rule:
http://kb.ssbabasketball.com/wiki/GM_Check-In_%28Rules%29

If you miss more than 1/2 of the Check-In's in a season (6 missed sims of the 12 sim regular season), I have the option to replace you as GM, regardless of if you respond to the e-mail. The decision will be based upon your reason for missing the sims and past history in the league. The missed DC's can also be marked as tanking (aka, abandoning your team to intentionally lose games), and can be subject to the penalties described in the Tanking Page

http://files.ssbabasketball.com/files/Check-In/2017_check-in.htm
PistonsGM     9

Maybe a little more activity and your team would be in slightly better shape.

Now, since we've both thrown out rules we think should be enforced, onto your situation.

I stated, explicitly to you, that my decision not to enforce it was because he had changed his mind in a very short time frame (8 minutes).  He did so before you posted, and before you had time where that agreed upon deal influenced your future decisions.  I don't want to get to the point where a player cannot change his mind whatsoever.

The post you referenced was different because he had agreed to a trade, it was posted, then he tried to change his mind.  I've also enforced it when a player agreed, then denies he agreed.  In the end, there is not, nor can there be, any concrete rules.  It's discretion from my part based on what I deem is the most fair.  The official rule is that if you say you agree, I can hold you to it.  This doesn't mean that I will 100% of the time, as it still depends on what I think is the best resolution.  He agreed, changed his mind before it was posted, and it went to arbitration, and I made my decision.  Live with it.

And in my personal opinion i think it was a bullshit decision...  but that's only my opinion...  Did you even get any statements from the other GM???  Or was my side the only one that was argued???  It really makes no sense that the decision went in his favor, especially since he never commented on it...  Either way it is looking as if my days are numbered...  Atleast it was fun for the most part, and although I didn't post my DC's(Yes, I was tanking even though I didn't have my 1st) I have given up many hours of family time in favor of this league...

[NetsGM]

1) It's become quite obvious that this thread has become about the Pistons trade situation, not "clarification for future reference
2) Bringing up the missed DC's was not to point to tanking, but to inactivity.  More specifically it was to point out that the strict enforcement of every rule isn't necessarily the right decision.
3) Had you posted before he PM'd you saying he changed his mind, it probably would have been enforced.
4) You said, and I quote: "So instead of living my life, I should sit here and refresh my SSBA Forum page every minute???".  So he had changed his mind before you had even read it?  So, how did his agreeing, then going back on his agreement, hurt you?

[HeatGM]

IMO... no one should back out from a trade that he has agreed to it...no matter how quick he changed his mind...its like playing nba live wherein you press the accept/reject button in a trade offer ..further more if you sent an offer...it already understood that you had approve and agreed to it...an offer should look like an offer with salaries and the players that should be traded...otherwise it is just an idea... that's my opinion...but i trust bods would make a fair  decision...   

This is not NBA Live.  The comparison, IMO, is irrelevant.

Let's compare it to what we strive to be.  What we strive to emulate.  When does a trade become official, binding, in the NBA?  Is it before or after it's submitted to the league office?

We are FAR stricter than the NBA in this regard.  But I'm also not trying to emulate NBA Live.

[Iverson2Korver43]

I have not heard of one GM say they would side with GrizzGM's side of the case(oh wait, he never stated anything about  it)...  He knows what he did was wrong, so does every GM...  And I am going to leave it at that...

[CelticsGM]

hey, i'm on your side when it comes to this trade.

but ...

from a commish standpoint this was a wise decision. It's one thing that reputation is hurt and feelings are hurt. But from the contractual/rules standpoint it would be FORCING a trade that's clearly been called off, no matter how poor the Grizz' decision looks here.


Please have no harsh feelings towards the commish, he has to protect league integrity as well, and there has to be some freedom to talk/negotiate/change your mind as well.

We'll all learn from this and move on ...
 

[NetsGM]

IMO... no one should back out from a trade that he has agreed to it...no matter how quick he changed his mind...its like playing nba live wherein you press the accept/reject button in a trade offer ..further more if you sent an offer...it already understood that you had approve and agreed to it...an offer should look like an offer with salaries and the players that should be traded...otherwise it is just an idea... that's my opinion...but i trust bods would make a fair  decision...   

This is not NBA Live.  The comparison, IMO, is irrelevant.

Let's compare it to what we strive to be.  What we strive to emulate.  When does a trade become official, binding, in the NBA?  Is it before or after it's submitted to the league office?

We are FAR stricter than the NBA in this regard.  But I'm also not trying to emulate NBA Live.

[NetsGM]

And the Grizz don't comment because this is not a public debate, as much as PistonsGM is trying to make it one.  I have talked to him privately about it.

[Iverson2Korver43]

Of course I am going to make this public...  That's the whole point, I knew there was no way to go back on this trade...  I just want everyone to know how shady the GrizzGM is...  like I said, It's just one less GM I will deal with in this league...

[NetsGM]

You know what, screw it.

There isn't a place in this league for a public smear campaign.  And I've lost patience.

Pursuant to the rules set forth in the GM Check-in section of the rules page, and due to the missed time in the 2017 season, PistonsGM has been removed as the GM of the Pistons.  Effective immediately, I will be making the decisions for the Pistons team until a replacement GM is found.

[KingsGM-old]

Oh man, what's going on here? Pistons fired?