TC discussion

[Iverson2Korver43]

There are less than a hand full of players left that can put up 25-30 PPG with defense

The same is true of the real NBA which is what this league is to be modeled after.  Talent is all relative...if no one on the league can put up 30 pts regularly then a 25 ppg scorer is valuable.  If no one can average 18 rebounds then a 13-14 rpg player is valuable.  The problem is everyone gets to hung up on the ratings...they want all superstars with A- or better ratings across the board.  Actually the bad overall TC helps support my theory that there is a balancing factor in the program that works to keep talent spread over a normal distribution curve.

So what your saying is if the league started out with say ten 30 PPG scorers, likely in a few seasons either most teams would have 30 PPG scorers or the ten original 30 PPG scorers would be declining to meet the league average???  So if the league has some shitty drafts, then everybody will lose out and vice versa...  It's a good theory I guess...

[SpursGM-old]

So what your saying is if the league started out with say ten 30 PPG scorers, likely in a few seasons either most teams would have 30 PPG scorers or the ten original 30 PPG scorers would be declining to meet the league average???  So if the league has some shitty drafts, then everybody will lose out and vice versa...  It's a good theory I guess...

Close...but more to the fact that if the league started with ten 30 ppg scorers then it will always maintain around ten 30 ppg scorers.  As older players retire then younger ones develop to replace them.  We had some good young perimeter players in the early drafts: Pettit, Keogan for example.  The later drafts started showing some good young big men: Tyler, Wedge, Seigal.  As Bods has modified the draft to give better starting ratings the training camps have started to reflect less improvement rating wise.  The real key is to try to identify those players whose play is solid regardless of their ratings.

[Str8westcoasta]

Decent TC for me.

 - Nick Abdur-Rahim stayed the same which is huge considering how bad he was earlier in his career.

 - Holman gained some rebounding
 - Al Harrington stayed the same, of HUGE importance!
 - Ivan Strong gained outside
 - McPherson gained handle but was dissapointing apart from that
 - BARTON O'CONNELL GAINED DEFENSE!! A+ outside, A+ Handles & A- defense!!!
 - Eddie Crawford is now decent with A+ handles and B- defense

Overall, I have a better team than last year!

[Iverson2Korver43]

So what your saying is if the league started out with say ten 30 PPG scorers, likely in a few seasons either most teams would have 30 PPG scorers or the ten original 30 PPG scorers would be declining to meet the league average???  So if the league has some shitty drafts, then everybody will lose out and vice versa...  It's a good theory I guess...

Close...but more to the fact that if the league started with ten 30 ppg scorers then it will always maintain around ten 30 ppg scorers.  As older players retire then younger ones develop to replace them.  We had some good young perimeter players in the early drafts: Pettit, Keogan for example.  The later drafts started showing some good young big men: Tyler, Wedge, Seigal.  As Bods has modified the draft to give better starting ratings the training camps have started to reflect less improvement rating wise.  The real key is to try to identify those players whose play is solid regardless of their ratings.

I understand using Keogan and Pettit as example and maybe even Gatling...  BUT how can you say Wedge and Siegal are good youing players...  I can think of a decent amount of Players I would rather have as my Center and I think Wedge is a product of being the only option on a bad team...  Even Tyler has been somewhat of an under achiever...  Don't get me wrong, they are good, just not great...  Once Emeka and Dwight are gone is a 20 and 12 PF/C going to be all-league 1st team???  Who is there to replace Shaq, Duncan, Garnett, Nowitzki, even Marion or Jermaine O'Neal???

[CavsGM]

After having had a bad feeling about this upcoming TC, I can say that I'm pleasantly surprised. Significant changes...

- Adams, who has consistently improved since entering the league, has now reached all-star caliber with +1 in inside, defense and rebounding. Believe it or not, he'll probably be coming off the bench. Regardless, he'll get his 25-30 MPG.
- Gerstl dropped in handles, rebounding, and potential. My biggest downgrade, and it's not even that important. He'll still likely start for me.
- Humphires improves in outside, handles, and rebounding. This creates somewhat of a dilemma with him and Manning. I'm not sure what I'll do.
- Robinson improved in inside offense. Hopefully this season he can be more of a factor on offense.

Aside from that, nothing major happened. Most of the changes were for the better, and the Cavs are definitely a better team than last year. This season should be a good one...

[KingsGM-old]

@ Pistons & Spurs;

2 words: Fictional players.

It's obvious.

[SpursGM-old]

@ Pistons & Spurs;

2 words: Fictional players.

It's obvious.

FYI: giving virtual players "real" names doesn't mean anything in terms of how they play, develop or in any way perform within the program.  Unless of coursze you really think Yao Ming will be the most dominate player in the real NBA over the next 10 years and win 8 MVP awards.

[KingsGM-old]

Names? Why just stop at that? We should also give them atributes like they did have in real life as well. That's the point.

[SpursGM-old]

Names? Why just stop at that? We should also give them atributes like they did have in real life as well. That's the point.

That is what Bods is trying to do...and because teammates are different, styles of play are different and a thousand other variables they won't produce the same as they did in real life. 

Yao is the perfect example.  He has won the SSBA MVP for the last 8 years...in real life I would be willing to bet everything I own that he won't win 8 straight MVP awards.  And his attributes were imported into the program based on his real life.

[KingsGM-old]

Oh please, don't bring just one extreme example to prove your point. Yao is just a anomaly. I'm sure there won't be many more Yao's like that. Even if it does, so what? Better for the game and better for the league.

I mean, just look at the 90's. You had David Robinson, Patrick Ewing and Hakeem Olajuwon. There isn't a single fictional C in this league that can even slightly compare with those 3. You have no problem with that?

[SpursGM-old]

Oh please, don't bring just one extreme example to prove your point. Yao is just a anomaly. I'm sure there won't be many more Yao's like that. Even if it does, so what? Better for the game and better for the league.

OK...then let's discuss Okafor.  My guess is that he never performs in real life as well as he has in the SSBA.  Or Al Jefferson.  Or Baron Davis.  Take any "real" NBA player that we started with and my bet is that their "real" career won't resemble their SSBA career at all.  And it could go the other way...Duncan will continue to have a much better real life career than his SSBA career.

I mean, just look at the 90's. You had David Robinson, Patrick Ewing and Hakeem Olajuwon. There isn't a single fictional C in this league that can even slightly compare with those 3. You have no problem with that?

Nope.  No problem here.  There aren't 3 centers that good in the real NBA right now either.

[KingsGM-old]

OK...then let's discuss Okafor.  My guess is that he never performs in real life as well as he has in the SSBA.  Or Al Jefferson.  Or Baron Davis.  Take any "real" NBA player that we started with and my bet is that their "real" career won't resemble their SSBA career at all.  And it could go the other way...Duncan will continue to have a much better real life career than his SSBA career.

1) There's also flipside of that coin. Kobe Bryant, Paul Pierce, Allen Iverson, Rasheed Wallace, Chris Webber, Lebron James, Gilbert Arenas, they are all outstanding players in the real life but never done anything significiant here. But i don't have a problem with that. I know it's extremely (i mean i guess) dificult to copy their exact stats and abilities and translate them here. I'm having problems with LACK of talent. That's the point.

2) It's too earlie to judge Okafor since he's just a kid at the beginning of his career. One day maybe he'll be a 20/10 player who knows? And as far as Baron concerns, he'd have definitely been an outstanding player if it wasn't for his chronical knee problems. So i really don't see what program did wrong with Baron.

Listen, all i'm sayin is this; There was Shaq, Dirk, Mcgrady, Garnett, Jermaine, Duncan, Marion, Kirilenko, Kidd, Brand, Yao etc etc, and with the exception of few (like Pettit and O' Bartoll) we have no successors of theirs, no next generation at all! I mean, how can you stand mediocracy?

[MavsGM]

Other simulation games have a thing called "regenerate".  When a player like Shaq retires he will automatic enter into the game's database and in couple of years he will reappear in the game with a different name but he has same height and weight but with low ratings and high Pot.

[KingsGM-old]

No need for that. This previous 2 drafts are really step in the right direction. I really see a better days for the league coming. Mo Cheeks, Erving, Magic, Bird, Moncrief....the league is already looking better. We should continue that way.

[CelticsGM]

Uneventful TC for the Celtics.
I won't discuss the old guys too much, Marion gained offense, lost rebounds, Sampson gained handles but lost inside as well as Dirk, who will shoot even more from the perimeter, Haywood lost D - my only player to lose D - and Mercer did nothing. No big loss of more than one rating.

But the young ones: Schabinger improved offense and that can't hurt. Tower and Trump didn't change and Strait won offense but dropped in boards. Again no big changes. Only backup PG Smith dropping handles hurts a bit.

My rookies didn't move a lot (Frahm +handle/-reb, Sly and Weatherspoon nothing) and I fear their pot won't be 80+, so I droppen twin tower spoon and resigned the (non-fictional) Rookie Demic who I had dropped earlier, cause he improved 3 ratings and did show nice pot.


Overall, considering my aging team, i'm satisfied that the age-related drops were minor (at least none of my guys pulled a KOBE who dropped ALL FIVE CATEGORIES !!!) , but disappointed my Rookies and young guys didn't make considerable improvements in ratings.