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« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2006, 10:02:09 AM »



(caution: rant. Like if a team with cap space - i won't name it - that wouldn't take an expiring contract from me at the deadline for NOTHING - just to help me get below the hard cap and without ANY negative effect for them. They might have been infected with that "Pacers desperation virus" but I'm sure not interested in dealing with them anymore. rant over)

Oh Christ! That's it. I completely forgot about that. That was the entire story behind our trade. Yeah, you asked me to help you get under the cap, that's it. And i did that and it had no negatives for me of any kind. Bods can easily check my pm's to see what we're talking about.
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« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2006, 10:06:48 AM »

well you could have use my 2018 for a trade or something (give it up for free).
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« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2006, 10:08:57 AM »

Yeah, people are sooo interested in late firsts here. I could get tons for it. Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2006, 10:14:50 AM »

Ok, here's the chat transcript from our "questionable" Del Negro deal;

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Ivan, you need to help me

I'm above the hard cap and i want to get below, needing to shred 2.5 mio in salaries from me. I had numerous talks with other teams, mostly involving Del Negro and Julius Smith, but those guys are not online with the deadline like 2 hours away

I work out a plan and get it to you in a minute.

I promise it won't hurt your offseason salary.

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Now i wouldn't expect you to take JdN + (expiring) Smith off my hand just like that but listen to my plan:


it would require $300 to buy out JdN ... I can only give you $200 right now. The rest would have to be paid once i get my offseason money from bods. You have enough right now to make your moves i suppose.

both guys make 17.98mio (and i could throw in expiring Deal too making it 18.5 mio)
so i would need between 16.025mio and 16.1 mio salaries in return. More and i stay above the cap, less and the trade wont work.

Another small - but not expiring - salary (Roof) could make it easier:

So it could be:
Haslem + James
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JdN + Smith + Deal + Roof

or
Pietrus+Collison+Valdez
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JdN+Smith+Deal

or

Bibby+James+Hornick+FA pickup James Hill
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JdN+Smith+Deal (plus i cut Doleac)



All this Ivan, just in case the NetsGM doesn't get online in time. Please if you accept either deal just PM to bods ("Derek") and i'll check that with him before the deadline.

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You want me to take on the Negro's contract?! Sorry, there's no way i'll do that. Sure if you have a plan to make him expire BEFORE this FA i could give you a favor BUT! I just hope you won't forget what have i done for you once the deal is done just like that pick you still own me (no nevermind, i don't need it, i'm just sayin).

I didn't quiet understand the entire deal but there's no way i'm taking that 15 mil unless you give me a gurantee that i will have exactly 42 milion of cap, ie full cap for the FA.


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Ivan, you don't understand how that works? You can pay $300 to buy out a year from a contract making it expiring. Read here:
http://forums.ssbabasketball.com/index.php?topic=4361.0

And I promised you to get you the whole $300 you need. Just now i have $200 in my account and the rest will follow once bods hands out the money for posting all DCs.

What YOU would need to do after the trade is take $300 and buy out JdN's contract. You have $740 currently and with my $200 it's a grand total of $940, so you have enough money to do it now (and the missing $100 you'll get later)

so you don't lose anything here and still have the full free cap for FA.


About the only thing you'd lose are players and i have no idea which deal you'd like more:

Possible Deal 2
Pietrus+Collison+Valdez
for
JdN+Smith+Deal+$200

or
Possible Deal 3
Bibby+James+Hornick+FA pickup James Hill
for
JdN+Smith+Deal+$200 (plus i cut Doleac)

forget the first one i proposed, Roof doesn't expire too.


I personally would do either, possibly like the Option #3 best, but i'd do the other one too.

Only problem, it needs to be done NOW. Immediately. Trade deadline is actually half a day behind us and bods only delayed the sim because of ME to finish my deal.


But all that said, if you don't want to do it i fully understand and would take the consequences - which is losing my 1st round pick, carrying the salary for the forfaited draft pick the full 4 years, and not being able to resign anybody.

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So wait, how much does it cost contract reduce? You want me to spend my money?

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no, just BORROW me $100 which you get as soon as i get my account filled in the offseason. You get the $100 back.

And I also haven't forgotten that you still get a young project from the Dirk trade. That will also happen next season.

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I also want you to announce in a post that you forgive me cause i didn't call you while i was in Vienna. Smile

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i did exactly what you asked me to.
thanks again !!!



Anything wrong in that?
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« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2006, 10:22:56 AM »



So, both of you, look at from anyone else's perspective (besides your own self serving perspectives, that is), and tell us again how this is not utter bullshit.



As a matter of fact this is not the first time i did this. Several seasons ago i traded my late first for nothing as well.
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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2006, 10:42:15 AM »

lol finally we get to know what future consideration means.
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« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2006, 10:46:24 AM »

lol finally we get to know what future consideration means.


Pretty much nothing.
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« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2006, 10:52:52 AM »

Just wondering, but why do we even have rules???
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« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2006, 10:53:35 AM »

1) Rules for what?
2) What rule did i break?
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« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2006, 10:58:30 AM »

Future considerations...  It is not allowed...  How can you say you don't remember bads saying he don't want to deal with that shit???
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« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2006, 11:03:04 AM »

First, after the trade Bods told me not to do it anymore. I didn't know we aren't supposed to do that and i say ok, no problem.

Second, future consideration stayed only on paper, as i said i don't expect nor do i need anything from the Celtics and i made it clear that he doesn't own me anything. So, to me, it's a end of story.
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« Reply #41 on: September 07, 2006, 11:06:58 AM »

I could careless about this trade, doesn't matter to me...  It's kinda stupid, but it doesn't matter and could be considered collusion(wish I could find someone to take my 2016 Hornets 1st)...  You would never see an NBA team give away a 1st, and I think Bods was trying to keep this league as realisitic as possible(besides the fantasy players)...  But if you were smart you would have kept the whole "future considerations" on the DL...  I have seen him make quite a few posts discouraging it...  Either way, I'm just tossing my 2 cents out...
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« Reply #42 on: September 07, 2006, 11:14:24 AM »

(caution: rant. Like if a team with cap space - i won't name it - that wouldn't take an expiring contract from me at the deadline for NOTHING - just to help me get below the hard cap and without ANY negative effect for them. They might have been infected with that "Pacers desperation virus" but I'm sure not interested in dealing with them anymore. rant over)

Interesting...  Then again, the question would be, what did you offer in order to get their "help"?
Heck, about 4-5 seasons ago, I think I gave up a first (or was planning to) in order to get someone to use their available cap space in order to eliminate a trade restriction.  And that person was only getting back an expiring...
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« Reply #43 on: September 07, 2006, 11:17:30 AM »



Interesting...  Then again, the question would be, what did you offer in order to get their "help"?


Nothing. That's why the friends are for, no?
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« Reply #44 on: September 07, 2006, 11:19:57 AM »

As a matter of fact i would have probably done that to anyone else. Why not help if it's not going to affect you in any way?
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