Kings - Celtics

[KingsGM-old]

Unbelivable, i can't even fart anymore and not cause a stir.

dammit, i offered you next years pick, now you're giving it for free

Um...what's the diference between #21 this year and your pick next year? I asked for one in 2019 (which is pretty strong draft) but you refused as you were talking about your rebuidling or something like that. Further, you were in the Finals this year + next year is one of the weakest draft in NBA history (i see only Kevin Mchale) so that pick would be even more worthless then the Grizz's one.

Wow, if you are offered an obviously better deal, this smacks of collusion...

No i wasn't. Read above.

Probably is collusion

Off course it's not. What do i gain?

and celtics i am still waiting for the future considerations on the dirk deal.

I even forget about that. I don't count on that anymore.

He checked the available draftees and didn't like anyone. And didn't want to take a bad future pick.

Pure garbage. I can sign 10 better players in FA for that money.

dirk for shard is one of the top 3 worst trades ever imo

1) Complete nonsense.
2) What exactly have i achieved with Dirk? Besides losing in the first round against the lower seed and losing my pick in 2017 (which is probably going to be lotto). So, name me one reason why should have i kept Dirk?
3) Thread was there. I shoped Mcgardy and Dirk for a month and i barely managed to get a lousy Grizz's pick for Mcgardy. That's how generous the rest of you have been. At the end i was lucky just to get a expirings in return for them.

you can´t convince me that there is no better option than just give a pick away for free

I made a thread about this pick several weeks ago and you know how much offers i got for him? One. That's right, one. I remember someone offered some money for it but i can't even remember who it was. So, i took a look last night, saw nothing that interests me and at the end just wanted to get rid of that sallarie. Knowing that Celtics is interested i just made a thread (cause it was too late here to find the next suitor or someone that is interested. I was sleepy and just wanted to go to sleep). That's why i even stated if the Celtics doesn't show up anyone can have that pick.

[PacersGM]

again i can´t follow your logic

if i have no one who would take dirk so why resign him to such a contract? You are always posting he had no other choice than to make such trades. And as i remember in your trade there were future considerations posted as well. i still wonder what kind? here is the link to this if you don´t remember
http://forums.ssbabasketball.com/index.php?topic=4883.0

again i never talked about the value in the 2nd trade. I asked just what ivan was thinking. Last time i checked we all try to get the best out of a deal. One of your reasons was definite to get under the hard cap. you also paid ivan money so he would take del negro. i can understand your point but ivan had no reason to do the trade imo.

deal 3: so one backed off. making it automatic a pick free trade?

[WizardsGM]

how do we know 2019 is a strong draft already?

[KingsGM-old]

Pacers; I don't know are you talking to me or to the Celtics?

[PacersGM]

Further, you were in the Finals this year + next year is one of the weakest draft in NBA history (i see only Kevin Mchale) so that pick would be even more worthless then the Grizz's one.

How do you know that it will be bad draft. and blazers are 1 injury away from lotto. sometimes it is good to take a gamble. Look at the magic pick this year. It would also give you options in other trade. Definite a better deal than trading for nothing imo.

I even forget about that. I don't count on that anymore.

So maybe you can tell us now what it was.

2) What exactly have i achieved with Dirk? Besides losing in the first round against the lower seed and losing my pick in 2017 (which is probably going to be lotto). So, name me one reason why should have i kept Dirk?

so why did you resign him? If he is so bad that you just could get expirings for him.

I made a thread about this pick several weeks ago and you know how much offers i got for him? One. That's right, one. I remember someone offered some money for it but i can't even remember who it was.

we all know that no one would offer much before draft day. And even if celtics was the only one available why not ask for something in return. As i know TOM he is always looking to give something back that you could need.

[KingsGM-old]

how do we know 2019 is a strong draft already?

1. Los Angeles: James Worthy
2. San Diego: Dominique Wilkins
3. Utah: Terry Cummings
4. Dallas: Ricky Pierece
5. Kansas City: Paul Pressey
6. New York: Mark Eaton
7. Chicago: Fat Lever
8. Indiana: Clark Kellogg
9. Detroit: Derek Smith
10. Atlanta: Sleepy Floyd
11. Portland: John Bagley
12. Cleveland: Quintin Dailey
13. New Jersey: LaSalle Thompson



Dominique would look real nice next to Magic

[PacersGM]

how do we know 2019 is a strong draft already?

1. Los Angeles: James Worthy
2. San Diego: Dominique Wilkins
3. Utah: Terry Cummings
4. Dallas: Ricky Pierece
5. Kansas City: Paul Pressey
6. New York: Mark Eaton
7. Chicago: Fat Lever
8. Indiana: Clark Kellogg
9. Detroit: Derek Smith
10. Atlanta: Sleepy Floyd
11. Portland: John Bagley
12. Cleveland: Quintin Dailey
13. New Jersey: LaSalle Thompson



Dominique would look real nice next to Magic

that is nonsense no one knows what kind of ratings dominique will have in this draft. I don´t know how bods is making his ratings but a warning example should be the djsl ratings this year.
Guess you would never expect that one of the best PFs ever Karl Malone is a B- D offensive guy.

[CelticsGM]

Kings could get $450 for Dirk, which is a whole lot better than nothing - when not resigning him.

And you can't get over that future consideration thing, right? Hey, maybe it's a Pizza in some nice italian restaurant in Wienna, maybe it's the draft rights to little Paul in 2024, so who knows ...
 

[PacersGM]

Kings could get $450 for Dirk, which is a whole lot better than nothing - when not resigning him.

And you can't get over that future consideration thing, right? Hey, maybe it's a Pizza in some nice italian restaurant in Wienna, maybe it's the draft rights to little Paul in 2024, so who knows ...
 

ok guess since dirk is no even older i can get dirk for $200. should be pretty fair if i add some whine to your pizza 

[KingsGM-old]

How do you know that it will be bad draft. and blazers are 1 injury away from lotto. sometimes it is good to take a gamble. Look at the magic pick this year. It would also give you options in other trade. Definite a better deal than trading for nothing imo.

To tell you the truth, i don't even remember anymore. I belive it was a first round pick but seeing that the Celtics won't be a lotto team for a long time i honestly don't care.

How do you know that it will be bad draft. and blazers are 1 injury away from lotto. sometimes it is good to take a gamble. Look at the magic pick this year. It would also give you options in other trade. Definite a better deal than trading for nothing imo.

You have to understand that after i had no offers whatsoever for that pick so i was even planning to draft someone. Than i took a look last night and i saw nothing that interests me. In a meanwhile, Blazers was nowhere to be found (i wasn't much online yesterday i was pretty tired) so i had no plan on waiting for him to show up. So i just made a thread knowing that Celtics is here somewhere. But, i still belive that the Blazers pick next year is going to be worthless + as i said, i only like Mchale and i really don't see how could i end up with him.

so why did you resign him? If he is so bad that you just could get expirings for him.

Because at the time of the resignings i still belived i could something valuable in return for him. Off course, once the off season started, all i got was miserable offers. And i really had nothing to lose with his resignings, i knew i can at least trade him for expirings, so why would i let him go without resigning before even tryin to get something in return?

[GoldenStateGM]

If you two were not so buddy-buddy, there would be no issue.
Other people offered (or would offer, if any effort was made to trade the pick) DSJL dollars, and future picks, and yet the pick was still sent for absolutely nothing.

So, both of you, look at from anyone else's perspective (besides your own self serving perspectives, that is), and tell us again how this is not utter bullshit.

Of course, it could just be bad GM'ing...   I guess that is the most liekly scenario...

[WizardsGM]

how do we know 2019 is a strong draft already?

1. Los Angeles: James Worthy
2. San Diego: Dominique Wilkins
3. Utah: Terry Cummings
4. Dallas: Ricky Pierece
5. Kansas City: Paul Pressey
6. New York: Mark Eaton
7. Chicago: Fat Lever
8. Indiana: Clark Kellogg
9. Detroit: Derek Smith
10. Atlanta: Sleepy Floyd
11. Portland: John Bagley
12. Cleveland: Quintin Dailey
13. New Jersey: LaSalle Thompson



Dominique would look real nice next to Magic

so...how do we know these are the players he is adding? is it listed somewhere? sorry, still somewhat new to this league

[CelticsGM]

of course it does never look good getting something for free and of course all the rest of the GMs can suspect the Kings had 25 better offers on the table, but if he says he hadn't i can only believe him like the rest of you.

But the buddy thing is sure annoying, although it's his right to do what he likes best.

On the other hand, I rather have some "buddies" among GMs than certain teams I wouldn't trade with anymore because I consider them the opposite of "buddy", whatever that is.

(caution: rant. Like if a team with cap space - i won't name it - that wouldn't take an expiring contract from me at the deadline for NOTHING - just to help me get below the hard cap and without ANY negative effect for them. They might have been infected with that "Pacers desperation virus" but I'm sure not interested in dealing with them anymore. rant over)

[KingsGM-old]

If you two were not so buddy-buddy, there would be no issue.
Other people offered (or would offer, if any effort was made to trade the pick) DSJL dollars, and future picks, and yet the pick was still sent for absolutely nothing.

So, both of you, look at from anyone else's perspective (besides your own self serving perspectives, that is), and tell us again how this is not utter bullshit.

Of course, it could just be bad GM'ing...   I guess that is the most liekly scenario...

I wonder if anyone understands that i don't give a shit about cash. If you don't belive me just check in DJSL. I haven't claimed a single penny for the last 2 seasons. You can ask Tom about that.

[KingsGM-old]

how do we know 2019 is a strong draft already?

We don't. I'm living in my own world. I just have to belive in that. (i'm not kidding).