Raptors/Clippers Trade

[NetsGM]

Yes, but you can stop selling your players after you trade them.

Right now I'm going to say Darko is "great".  He's not.  He's servicable.  If I trade him, I'm going to say "wow, I just got this <great> guy for Darko!"

The PR spin machine on this board is amazing sometimes.  I've never seen so many "great" 2nd round picks that people were targetting with a top 15 pick of the first round and miraculously fell

Perry does some things well.  Some things not so well.  I don't think either of the two players are great.

[KingsGM-old]

Never had any faith in him anyway. I couldn't belived guys were trading for Perry, a 2nd round player with max contract.

[CelticsGM]

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Bah, come on. Don't tell me you haven't heard anyone every say that someone is "great" when they actually aren't.

When you get something you don't want for your birthday, you don't say "i don't want this" you say "this is great".

Now that's as much an accurate description of Perry as we will get ...


     

[RaptorsGM]

Yes, but you can stop selling your players after you trade them.

Right now I'm going to say Darko is "great".  He's not.  He's servicable.  If I trade him, I'm going to say "wow, I just got this <great> guy for Darko!"

The PR spin machine on this board is amazing sometimes.  I've never seen so many "great" 2nd round picks that people were targetting with a top 15 pick of the first round and miraculously fell

Perry does some things well.  Some things not so well.  I don't think either of the two players are great.

But the word "great" is the type of word that can mean many different things. Perry is great at the role he plays - which is going to be backup PG for the Clippers.

Probably just the differences in our cultures.

[NetsGM]

right, but you didn't specify.

You just said he's great.

If he's a great roleplayer, that's a very important part you left out

[RaptorsGM]

right, but you didn't specify.

You just said he's great.

If he's a great roleplayer, that's a very important part you left out

True, but that;s the difference in our cultures. If my Aunt Edna knits my a sweater for Christmas that is 2 sizes too small, I can say it's great instead of saying "it would be great if it wasnt 2 sizes too small and if it didnt itch me"

[KingsGM-old]

Eh, i'm having that problems all the time. Diferent cultures uses the same words in diferent context and in diferent meanings.

[NetsGM]

Trev: no, that's not confusing at all.  That's called common courtesy.  Everyone's gotten gifts that were crap that they go "aww, gee, thanks.  this is great".  But I don't see that being nearly the same as now.

When you say that to you're grandmother, you're trying to "sell" her on the idea that the gift was great.  Who are you trying to sell here?  The trade was already made.

[RaptorsGM]

Trev: no, that's not confusing at all.  That's called common courtesy.  Everyone's gotten gifts that were crap that they go "aww, gee, thanks.  this is great".  But I don't see that being nearly the same as now.

When you say that to you're grandmother, you're trying to "sell" her on the idea that the gift was great.  Who are you trying to sell here?  The trade was already made.

Yeah, I understand where you are coming from, but I guess here we use the same sort of common courtesy for other things as well.

[NetsGM]

So where is the common courtesy when you call people out for not responding to PM's?

Nah.  This was spin.  You're a master at spinning your players.

It's like me on DJSL.  I was pimping Steve Francis to try to get something for him.  In the end, I didn't get much, except except to clear 2 contracts off my books.  But if I don't spin it, I get nothing.

You just don't stop spinning

[ClippersGM-old]

This is an absolute steal for the Raptors.

Childress is an offensive dynamo who can defend AND rebound at the two swing positions.  (think shawn marion).

Plus, he lands a first rounder as well.

Wow, in a league dominated by PGs, Darius Perry is alright, but not worth Childress...in my opinion.

However, with the success of the Clips...it is hard to disagree with anything he has done...maybe he knows something that I don't.

Anyways, good deal for the Raps.

SonicsGM... are you kidding me?

Did you really write all of this?

After you made an offer for Childress that was worse than what I got now??? You really dissapoint me as a GM.

And that is, why in my reasoning (which I will post soon) I will talk about how difficult it is to make trades.

[NetsGM]

Alright now, calm down guys.

I think Chill is the better player.  But I don't think he was great, and very replacable.

I like it for the Raps, but I don't think giving up Childress was this colossal loss either.  Frankly, Childress has disappointed me a bit.

[ClippersGM-old]

Ok, so after a long day of work... here is the reason from the Clippers.

Most of you favor this trade heavily for the Raptors. I must say that I have had many (many!) talks around the league in the past 2 seasons about dealing Childress for a point guard. I will not go into details and tell you what I got offered for it, but believe me... this is the best deal I got.

I still think that many gm's overvalue their players. They ask for too much. When I was looking for a starting point guard, everyone told me that it would take a lot. Definitely more than Childress. And now you all tell me that I should have gotten more for Childress? This is strange. Also one of the reasons why I don't trade often. The other reason being that I give my team time to come together... time, as in more than 3 sims! I guess you know what I mean.
Same with this deal. I found Childress and Holston  for Perry and Prince fair. But if I dont throw in a pick, I dont get it. So as I will explain later, I did it anyway because I think my pick is not worth much. But still... I dont think it was needed.

WarriorsGM I think had a very good view on this deal. Perry will be my starting point guard and I think he will fit. His job? As you will notice from the other 4 starters... Perry will not HAVE TO score. And he has A- for both handling and defense with an A potential. Yes, he had a great TC last season. But why would he not get better anymore this TC? Maybe he wont, but maybe he will. It does not matter if he had a great one last season. TC is ALL ABOUT LUCK. You run it a couple times... everytime with a different outcome. So Perry has as much chance to become even better this TC than any other player. If he doesnt... ok, I am fine with that.

Childress has never been to me what I expected him to be. Has anyone of you followed him closely the last 3 years? And about Childress being an offensive dynamo...

The pick? I dont think it will be higher than 22. I have had picks in the 20's for years now. You want to know who these players were? Indeed, you don't want to know. I have hardly ever used them. All they did here was eat, sit, shit,... and get paid for that! As WarriorsGM said... sometimes you get lucky with a late 1st round pick. But is that really what I should wait for?

Anyway... CelticsGM put up 3 different scenarios of my starters 1 through 3 for upcoming season. Did you notice Maggette being 30 and having D potential? Did you notice Brand has played sf for a long time now? Put all of this together and you know that Maggette will be a backup who will light other team's backups up big time.

Now to finish this... being very honest... I hope that Perry's A potential will give him another (probably smaller) boost in TC and that he will be a very decent starting pg. Something I have looked for for a long time.

[ClippersGM-old]

Sorry in advance to all of you (and especially SonicsGM). I think I might have written down too many of my thoughts. I will go chill now for a while.

[HawksGM]

Personally, I think my offer was better (potential aside), but I do think that Perry might fit your team more not being as great of a scorer.  It's a good deal for both sides and will probably fill needs better, but I think my offer was better.  Of course a lot of people think their offers are better than the one people end up accepting.