Okafor and Pettit placed into 2012 Free Agency Pool

[PacersGM]

First of all; Are we going to allow that someone (regardless if it's Commish, co - commish or someone else) has to break up his team (the one which he builted for years) just because someone else thinks he's cheating?

(and i'm sure that's someone with pretty much lousy team that hasn't done anything so far in this league).

Yes, instead of talking about what would be the fairest way of dividing these guys up, we should first decide whether this is really necessary. I really feel that this should be put up for a vote. League members should be given a say in what's best for the league. If it turns out that the majority think this is the best move, then we should have a vote on what to do with the players.

i agree.
for me it is very improtant to see if this is really necessary. i am pretty sure there are more than 5 gms who believe they can win it all even against the current nets.
@raptors i like your point of view of sucess without bods but to start it all over again is too much imo. I am sure all of us are waiting for the day we have replaced all the known players for FBB created players. I have never seen such a league before.

[RaptorsGM]

I know you did, but now you'd have a chance to do it all again.

I really, really don't want to see this happen. A Championship after this would mean way less to me.

[NetsGM]

Don't worry.  That's not something you have to worry about.

Pacers will plaster you next year regardless.

[KingsGM-old]

i don´t get this. We are all gms. If someone wants to break up his team like the bulls did in the real nba why not use normal gm skills?.

2 reasons
1) I do not want to get value back for them.  Why?  It would make it too easy for me to rebuild.
2) I don't not want to be the one to decide who gets Okafor and Pettit, because I don't want people to bitch that I'm playing favorites.

So, you wanna say to us that in the next years you will be just humping around, simming and all that but you won't win cause you don't have the "rights" to do so?

What I want to do is have a piss poor team and try to turn them into a playoff team. Maybe even a top 4 team in the conference.  That will allow me to have fun in the league without damaging the league.

   I don't get it. Haven't you done that already?

I mean, if someone thinks you're cheating, there is no way to prevent that the next time you pick the bad team either so this is all pretty pointless. If you wanna cheat, you'll cheat any time you want. Now (or in the past) with the Nets or in the future with your next team.

Completely pointless.

[PacersGM]

I disagree.

Nobody is going to come out and openly support the stance at this point.  Nobody's going to want to put themselves out on an island like that.

But I've seen it, both in this league and in other leagues, what a commish consistently winning does.  ESPECIALLY with the past history of this league and the actions by the prior commish.

i don´t know the prior commish but this is one of the simleagues where no changes have been made in the ratings and also there are no 10 year old boys who are complaining all the time about loosing.
this is a very strong sim league. So i guess we can take it like man and try to beat you as often we can  

[KingsGM-old]

I know you did, but now you'd have a chance to do it all again.

I really, really don't want to see this happen. A Championship after this would mean way less to me.

I second that.

[PacersGM]

Don't worry.  That's not something you have to worry about.

Pacers will plaster you next year regardless.

yea don´t worry
me or hornets will take care of you  

[NetsGM]

I mean, if someone thinks you're cheating, there is no way to prevent that the next time you pick the bad team either so this is all pretty pointless. If you wanna cheat, you'll cheat any time you want. Now (or in the past) with the Nets or in the future with your next team.

Nobody will notice enough to scrutinize your every move if you work to become a 41-41 team.  I won't have to be worried that I'll have a good training camp and everyone will get suspicious.

Like I said, I'll have a final decision tonight.

[KingsGM-old]

First of all; Are we going to allow that someone (regardless if it's Commish, co - commish or someone else) has to break up his team (the one which he builted for years) just because someone else thinks he's cheating?

(and i'm sure that's someone with pretty much lousy team that hasn't done anything so far in this league).

Yes, instead of talking about what would be the fairest way of dividing these guys up, we should first decide whether this is really necessary. I really feel that this should be put up for a vote. League members should be given a say in what's best for the league. If it turns out that the majority think this is the best move, then we should have a vote on what to do with the players.

i agree.
for me it is very improtant to see if this is really necessary. i am pretty sure there are more than 5 gms who believe they can win it all even against the current nets.
@raptors i like your point of view of sucess without bods but to start it all over again is too much imo. I am sure all of us are waiting for the day we have replaced all the known players for FBB created players. I have never seen such a league before.

Exactly. While the Nest have been the masters of regular seasons, they only won ONE title. Jazz, Sonics and Clippers proved that aynone can be beaten. I'm pretty sure if i had a chance to play with the Nets in this year finals that it would have been a hellava series.

Now, if the Nets had something like 5 titles in a row with no one to come near them in any series then it would have been a diferent story. There would have been plenty of reason to doubt that he cheats. But that wasn't the case and there is no way he should break up his team UNLESS he's bored with his curent roster or if he thinks that the team has reached its' peak.

[PacersGM]

I mean, if someone thinks you're cheating, there is no way to prevent that the next time you pick the bad team either so this is all pretty pointless. If you wanna cheat, you'll cheat any time you want. Now (or in the past) with the Nets or in the future with your next team.

Nobody will notice enough to scrutinize your every move if you work to become a 41-41 team.  I won't have to be worried that I'll have a good training camp and everyone will get suspicious.

Like I said, I'll have a final decision tonight.

let us make the decision. Why are you breaking up a team that couldn´t win 2 rings in a row or even a second. if you have won 3 in a row i would agree but after loosing now 4 finals or something you should keep everythiing the same. There is no team that is too strong for a sim league and it is not about being the commish or cheating or something else.

[KingsGM-old]

I mean, if someone thinks you're cheating, there is no way to prevent that the next time you pick the bad team either so this is all pretty pointless. If you wanna cheat, you'll cheat any time you want. Now (or in the past) with the Nets or in the future with your next team.

Nobody will notice enough to scrutinize your every move if you work to become a 41-41 team.  I won't have to be worried that I'll have a good training camp and everyone will get suspicious.

Like I said, I'll have a final decision tonight.

So you're doomed to have mediocre team? Just great

[PacersGM]

kings you beat me by a few seconds  

[RaptorsGM]

Don't worry.  That's not something you have to worry about.

Pacers will plaster you next year regardless.

Could be, but that's beside the point.

[SpursGM-old]

let us make the decision. Why are you breaking up a team that couldn´t win 2 rings in a row or even a second. if you have won 3 in a row i would agree but after loosing now 4 finals or something you should keep everythiing the same. There is no team that is too strong for a sim league and it is not about being the commish or cheating or something else.

In a way this sums it up well, Bods.  You haven't won more than 1 title.  There are 2 or 3 teams in each conference that feel they have a chance against you.

Besides if you really feel that you are too dominating just have Petitt play baseball for a couple years.  I hear he's been seen around town with some shady individuals.  

[PacersGM]

Besides if you really feel that you are too dominating just have Petitt play baseball for a couple years.  I hear he's been seen around town with some shady individuals.  

  that would be cool

and it is a great idea. why gave up both if we can´t change your mind let´s keep pettit at the IR for 2 years or something like that or let him play baseball   not that i like the idea