Okafor and Pettit placed into 2012 Free Agency Pool

[KingsGM-old]

This whole thread is just absurd. I mean, is this a heavy competitive league or a charity foundation? We're all here to show our GM skills. It takes time, energy, knowledge and nerves to make a great team. There is no way someone should give it's top players for free just to make a "ballance" in the league.

[HornetsGM]

That is something I considered, but don't you think that's a slap in the face to be "given" a player because you stink?  And why do they deserve to be given a player?  At least the person who gets them in FA will have managed the cap.  They managed the cap to try to make a run at a superstar.  Their odds have increased, but the goal was still the same.

1) If they have the worst record in the league, they probably know they stink
2) I don't think they deserve the player at all; I said if this has to be done, then it should go to them
3) If people had known that these two guys would be on the market then they would have tried much harder to cut cap. Superstars almost never change teams via free agency. Now it is gauranteed that two will surely change teams. This has vastly increased the value of cap space for this FA.

If the goal is to make this league more competitive, then the two teams that have the worst record should be given the players. I can't see what goal is met by going with the FA method. The Magic made the playoffs last season and the Cavs have historically been a solid team, as have the Sonics (if they get their retirements).

[GoldenStateGM]

Techically, I like the idea of putting them in the Draft...
But seeing who has the top draft picks, it would likely make a team (aka Denver) dominant.  But that is probably the most fair way, imo...

[KingsGM-old]

First of all; Are we going to allow that someone (regardless if it's Commish, co - commish or someone else) has to break up his team (the one which he builted for years) just because someone else thinks he's cheating?

(and i'm sure that's someone with pretty much lousy team that hasn't done anything so far in this league).

[RaptorsGM]

Why not just let Okafor and Petit retire?

[NetsGM]

If the goal is to make this league more competitive, then the two teams that have the worst record should be given the players.

It's not about balancing the league.  I'm not doing this because I'm winning.  Otherwise I'd be taking teams off the Clippers, Pacers and Hornets as well (and the Jazz when they made their run).  It's being done because teh commish is winning.

It's a two fold thing.  People don't trust a commish who's dominant because of the extra resources he has and because he's the only team with the capability of cheating.  You're naturally suspect.  And it's no fun to be a commish winning because everyone accuses you (either directly or indirectly) of cheating.  The last 1.5 sim years has probably been the least fun for me of all the years I've been in a league because of this.

[KingsGM-old]

So, you wanna say to us that in the next years you will be just humping around, simming and all that but you won't win cause you don't have the "rights" to do so?

[PacersGM]

i don´t get this. We are all gms. If someone wants to break up his team like the bulls did in the real nba why not use normal gm skills?.

Trade them for youth,cap, picks whatever you think is best for your situation. So everybody has a chance to be creative and get them.
you could do it like the sonics for example.

Or another idea is why not keep them for one more year and declare that they will be FAs. I am pretty sure half of the teams will have capspace after the season. That would be pretty fair imo.

there are so many more ways...

i don´t like the draft idea at all. This players are proven vets but the exiting in the draft is you never know if you have drafted a star or a bust.
trough countless drafts no numer 1 was rewarded with such a gift.
Another thing is that if you put them into the draft the capspace value will be higher than ever because everybody knows that they will not be resigned by their team.

[HornetsGM]

Why not just let Okafor and Petit retire?

Yes, I like this idea.

However, this doesn't resolve the problem of the asterisk that has to go next to the name of every champion from now until 2020.

[NetsGM]

i don´t get this. We are all gms. If someone wants to break up his team like the bulls did in the real nba why not use normal gm skills?.

2 reasons
1) I do not want to get value back for them.  Why?  It would make it too easy for me to rebuild.
2) I don't not want to be the one to decide who gets Okafor and Pettit, because I don't want people to bitch that I'm playing favorites.

So, you wanna say to us that in the next years you will be just humping around, simming and all that but you won't win cause you don't have the "rights" to do so?

What I want to do is have a piss poor team and try to turn them into a playoff team.  Maybe even a top 4 team in the conference.  That will allow me to have fun in the league without damaging the league.

[OldNuggetsGM]

This is entirely your call (I see where you're coming from, but of all the GM's here, who doesn't know how much time and effort you put into this), but I'm not sure throwing them into free agency is the best idea.

I tried for the last couple years to keep below the cap in order to offer a star a big deal.  The only problem is that either no one worth all that money ever made it to FA or the ones that did simply resigned with their previous teams.  So it's really not advantageous to be below the cap, and most teams already realized this before I did.  Since these two guys are going to be aberrations to how SSBA free agency has worked in the past, it might be best to consider one of the many suggested alternatives.

Of course, this is just my opinion, so take it for what it's worth.

[HornetsGM]

First of all; Are we going to allow that someone (regardless if it's Commish, co - commish or someone else) has to break up his team (the one which he builted for years) just because someone else thinks he's cheating?

(and i'm sure that's someone with pretty much lousy team that hasn't done anything so far in this league).

Yes, instead of talking about what would be the fairest way of dividing these guys up, we should first decide whether this is really necessary. I really feel that this should be put up for a vote. League members should be given a say in what's best for the league. If it turns out that the majority think this is the best move, then we should have a vote on what to do with the players.

[RaptorsGM]

You all know I would have to weigh in on this sooner or later.

Here are my thoughts: this is our, what 12th season of SSBA, counting the 2 different versions we have seen? And I have obviously been one of the most active GMs throughout these 12 seasons. I've always had winning teams, yet I have never, ever made it to the Finals, let alone won one. That has always been my goal.

But now, if this happens, it wouldn't even matter to me that much anymore. Sure, it would still be nice to win, but it would feel tainted....really tainted. I would feel like the only reason I won was because Bod's blew up his team. This isn't the feeling that I want to have.

Bods, not only does this move make it less fun for you, but it makes it less fun for every single team that thought they had a chance to beat you. Every GM, like me, who dreamed about the day where they won a Championship over every other team that was at full strength.

While I agree that your team is good, very good, I don't you are unbeatable. Last year I took you to 7 games in the 2nd round, meaning you almost didn't make it to the Conference Finals, let alone win that title.

I only have one proposal that I see fair, instead of the Okafor and Petit thing...re-start the sim. Let everyone pick teams again, get a recent file, and completly restart the sim. And Bods, don't take the Heat or Spurs, take a team like the Knicks. Or the Bobcats. And prove your GM skills all over again.

[NetsGM]

I disagree.

Nobody is going to come out and openly support the stance at this point.  Nobody's going to want to put themselves out on an island like that.

But I've seen it, both in this league and in other leagues, what a commish consistently winning does.  ESPECIALLY with the past history of this league and the actions by the prior commish.

[NetsGM]

I don't think many people would want to re-star the sim.

Besides, the cool thing is that we made it this far.

I only have one proposal that I see fair, instead of the Okafor and Petit thing...re-start the sim. Let everyone pick teams again, get a recent file, and completly restart the sim. And Bods, don't take the Heat or Spurs

Hey!  I took the Nets.  Richard Jefferson blew, I had alonzo mourning and Zoran Plannanic (!) in my starting lineup.