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« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2005, 01:37:43 PM »

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« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2005, 01:45:46 PM »

Jazz went down a net -4....Kaman got worse which means I lost out on the Booth trade, but you gotta roll the dice sometimes. Curran went +1 in handles which i really don't know how to take since he plays inside, but he's played awesome for me and so any improvement I will gladly take. Smith went -1 in defense which hurts because I have such a stockhold of mediocrity inside with Curran as my best player and his game is limited to shotblocking and scoring. Hughes went -1 in outside and +1 in handles...he's been at his current offensive ratings for most of his career and only improved his ppg by a little over a point when he was B+/B in/out. Kirilenko went down one in outside scoring but goes +1 in rebounding so he is once again a triple-double threat. Meyers improved +1 with handles which hopefully means more production when he's in. Sadly Beardslee's handles went down which hurts his flexibility to backup the SG position and good ol' Shabby went -1 with handles which probably just reflects his actual performance. Dee Mckinnee proved that he wants the backup position over Daniels which he has earned and he may even start eventually depending on his a/to ratio. So what this means is Murphy will see more minutes, Kirilenko may play some PF. Meyers may play some SF and Who the hell knows what i'm going to do with my rotations inside. To top it off, I don't even have a draft pick for this upcoming draft. As I am a year away from a rebuilding season, and by no means do i think i'll be winning any championships this year, fans will get let down this year as i'm going to be compettive, but surely not competitive enough to go too far in the playoffs.
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« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2005, 01:49:46 PM »

http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3098

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« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2005, 01:58:05 PM »

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« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2005, 02:01:22 PM »

btw, Guitierrez on the Kings also held all the promise that came with him before TC. 5 net points improvement, mostly in handling and defense.

Ivan lucked out again there ...
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« Reply #35 on: October 21, 2005, 02:16:25 PM »

Not a good TC in the Mile High City.

Berkowitz went +1 in D, but both Buehler and Dickman improved more; Antone did keep his A potential, though, so we'll see what happens.

AI dropped an outside, which isn't good, and Gadzuric dropped an inside, so that sucks (considering his FG% blows already).  

Schenk dropped 1 in handle and 2 in defense, and very well may have lost the starting PG position to Ridnour, who improved 1 each in outside and defense.

Barry, the likely starter at SF, dropped one in defense, as did Glover.  Cronin dropped one each in outside and defense, and should consider himself lucky to still be employed.

Butler gained a handle and kept his potential.  Raymond Bee, signed with the MLE, showed his gratefulness by dropping 1 in defense.  Speer, the 2nd pick of the 2nd round, also dropped 1 in defense, although that was mitigated by Costello improving 1 in defense and 2 in rebounding.

I went through and looked at the rookies, and no one really exploded.  Dickman, Buehler, Shultz, and Gutierrez seemed to fare the best.  

And how about that Curtis Sura?  Not bad for a guy picked at the end of the first round.  It reminds me of Earl Boykins' explosion 3 or so seasons ago, when he went up like 5 or 6 attributes in one year, going from a bench guy to a starter overnight.
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« Reply #36 on: October 21, 2005, 02:18:39 PM »

Pistons have yet another so-so TC:

Positives
Schmaltz: +1 Rebounding
Ratliff: +1 Rebounding
Doleac: +1 Potential(up to a "B")
Kim: +1 Inside, +3 Handles, +1 Rebounding, -1 Potential(down to a "B")

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Manning: +1 Defense, -1 Rebounding
Dunleavy: + 1 Handles, -1 Inside
Davis: +1 Outside, -1 Defense
Tinsley: SAME
Redd: -1 Handles, +1 Potential

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Booth: -1 defense, -1 rebounding
Evans: -1 inside
Eisley: Didn't even check the differences, I just cut his rotten ass...
Van Horn: -1 Inside, -1 Handles, -2 rebounding, +1 Potential
Nesterovich: JUNK...  Pete Chilcutt could beat this guy one-on-one...

Very happy with Kim, even though I would have preferred that +3 jump in any other category than Handles...  Most of my bigs improved and not much changed with the rest of my players that will actually see minutes...
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« Reply #37 on: October 21, 2005, 02:30:01 PM »

I had a great TC :
Cunningham improved like i hoped his defense Smile

Moiso i wanted to stay the same but he improved Handling Smile

Harrington went down in Inside Smile

C-Webb improved inside despite his 35 age Smile Smile

Nene went down in inside but he's 3rd 4th option so i don't care

Buehler improved handling,defense and rebounding Smile Smile Smile

Shultz improved inside,handling,defense Smile Smile Smile

Sapp improved defense,went down in handling Smile

Houbregs improved defense Smile Smile

Telfair improved outside and defense, wish his did handling also Smile Smile

Perry  improved handling and rebounding, went down in D Smile

Zollner improved outside Smile Smile
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« Reply #38 on: October 21, 2005, 02:38:53 PM »

Best TC ever for the Spurs....+ 11 overall.

Russell +2 outside, +2 defense to A- in both categories.  He did drop 1 in inside scoring.

Etan Thomas +1 reb +1 inside

Mihm +1 inside

Schabinger +1 def and potential increased to A.  Could push Allen for the starting spot.

Uner +2 outside, +1 handles, +1 def, -1 inside and kept A potential

Mikan disappointed big time.  After receiving a big 4 year extension all he did was drop in potential to a B.  Although with a C+ def & B reb he is still an adequate backup.
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« Reply #39 on: October 21, 2005, 03:25:50 PM »

Freakin absolute disaster.

The bad, and there's a lot of it...

Chamberlain - down 1 in defense and potential. I was hoping for more...

Keogan - stays the same, for the 2nd straight year. Dude is just teasing me...

Nesterovich - Impressive TC last year, going up 3 ratings. Now, he goes down 3. Ugh...

Carter - Up one in outside, down one in handles. Eh...

Songaila - Down in inside and defense. Worthless MLE signing.

Holton - Down one in inside and potential. Defense is his name, the rest is a shame...

Evan Lo - WTF, he goes down in rebounding and defense. Before he was C+/C+, which was bad enough, but C/C is terrible. Before his offense made it worth it to give him good minutes off the bench. Now I'm not so sure...

Gooden - Down in inside and outside. He's still good, but I at least wanted him to stay the same.

Hager - I give this guy a 2nd year option thinking he will improve nicely. He goes down two ratings and loses his potential. Great...

The good...

Barbosa - Pretty much the only real bright spot of this TC. Went up in outside and handles, now has A shooting, B- handles to go with A- defense. That's pretty damn good for a backup PG/SG.

Verduzco - Some 2nd rounder goes up in two ratings.

Tsakalidis - Goes up in defense. Not bad.

So all in all, this is without a doubt an extremely poor training camp for the Cavs. Hopefully the team can overcome it...
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« Reply #40 on: October 21, 2005, 03:30:57 PM »

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« Reply #41 on: October 21, 2005, 03:41:20 PM »

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LMAO! I was pissed off when I didn't get Bill Embry with that pick, now I will have to decide if I want to move Livingston to SG to make room for Curtis Sura   Cool

Pavel went down 1 in defense, but went up 1 in rebounding. Swift went up 1 in outside scoring (I was hoping for more from him.)
Kmart, Odom and Jackson all stayed the same.
Shawn Marion is now an A+ defender at shooting guard  Smile
Livingston went up 1 in inside scoring.
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« Reply #42 on: October 21, 2005, 03:50:48 PM »

Big Z, Harris and LeBron James stay the same.  Luke Jackson went back to B/A scoring and lost his B Pot.  Boykins gained 1 on rebounding.  Pretty much all stayed the same.
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« Reply #43 on: October 21, 2005, 04:27:08 PM »

Porr Bulls...
best two players drop in TC...  Mercer seems to have the craziest TC's of any player.

But Hinkle is goes up to a C+ rebounding, which is incredible for a SG.
Dean Drew goes up in inside, outside, handle and defense, making him one of the deadliest offensive players in the game.
And Palacio is now a very good offensive player as well, particularly for a 19 year old.
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« Reply #44 on: October 21, 2005, 04:56:31 PM »

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