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« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2005, 10:49:00 AM » |
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I think i had a pretty good chance of landing JDN. I had the money and his hometown/favorite team is the kIngs! But he's way to short for a PF and a pretty poor rebounder as well so i just offered him a MLE.
He's much better fit for the Raptors anyway since his frontcourt is set so he can play his natural sf position.
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« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2005, 10:49:48 AM » |
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I must admit, I was stunned at the JDN and Jackson deals. I offered both 6 year deals starting around $8 million, which I thought was a fair price, thinking I'd get at least one of them. I got blown out of the water on both. I should have just kept Carter (and Boykins too, but I was never going to top Nets' 16 million a year offer).  |
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« Reply #47 on: October 17, 2005, 10:50:44 AM » |
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I think i had a pretty good chance of landing JDN. I had the money and his hometown/favorite team is the kIngs! But he's way to short for a PF and a pretty poor rebounder as well so i just offered him a MLE.
He's much better fit for the Raptors anyway since his frontcourt is set so he can play his natural sf position. I don't know who put him at PF, but his natural position is SF. I'm pretty sure his defense is a B+ there. |
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« Reply #48 on: October 17, 2005, 10:53:46 AM » |
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He was listed as PF. And i would never give some crazy money for SF. It's position that has the least efect on the game IMO.
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« Reply #49 on: October 17, 2005, 10:54:54 AM » |
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Yeah, he is SF. I would have no interest in him if he was a PF. But what's so stunning about eh JDN deal, Nuggs? I offered him 3 mil more than you did....not that big of a number. I wanted him, bad, and I was almost certain I would land him with a max offer. I'd rather have JDN at the max then no JDN  |
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« Reply #50 on: October 17, 2005, 11:06:30 AM » |
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Well, stunning in the sense that I never thought someone would offer him a max deal. Now, Boykins and Carter, I figured they'd get max-type deals when they hit the market. But like I said, I was pretty sure I'd get one of the two SF's, and then to see that they both got max deals, well, let's just say that it was very surprising to me.
So I guess it wasn't exactly stunning, persay, but I sure as hell didn't see that coming. And yeah, your offer sure did ensure you'd have his services for the next 6 years. I don't think he's worth all that money (I think my offer was about 30 million less than yours), but again, I have to reprogram myself to realize that finances work differently here. Like you said, there's not that big of a difference between what I offered and what you got him for.
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« Reply #51 on: October 17, 2005, 11:09:37 AM » |
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Yeah, that's exactly right.
Like if I had Yao and Hoffa both expiring next year, I might have thought twice about the offer to JDN.
But that wasnt the case, so there is no harm in the offer.
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« Reply #52 on: October 17, 2005, 11:13:58 AM » |
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Well, you keep saying that, but there is harm in the offer.
What if JDN doesn't improve at all, doesn't work out, and you wish to move him. The contract will limit the # of people interested and the amount of value you'll get in return. Did you sour on Battier after the contract I gave him? If I remember correctly, the contract did limit your interest.
A perfect example of this, IMO, is Collision from a few years ago. Received an enormous deal. Didn't pan out. The Nuggets had to give up talent just to get rid of him.
High contract do adversely affect trade value. So there is harm.
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« Reply #53 on: October 17, 2005, 11:19:42 AM » |
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Well, you keep saying that, but there is harm in the offer.
What if JDN doesn't improve at all, doesn't work out, and you wish to move him. The contract will limit the # of people interested and the amount of value you'll get in return. Did you sour on Battier after the contract I gave him? If I remember correctly, the contract did limit your interest.
A perfect example of this, IMO, is Collision from a few years ago. Received an enormous deal. Didn't pan out. The Nuggets had to give up talent just to get rid of him.
High contract do adversely affect trade value. So there is harm. Yes that is very true. But the thing is, when you are way over the cap, and you have a player who isn't working out, you cn afford to just eat the rest of his contract. I agree that the offer will make him harder to move, and i agree that it is a risk, but I believe that it is certainly a risk worth taking. |
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« Reply #54 on: October 17, 2005, 11:24:07 AM » |
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But that wasnt the case, so there is no harm in the offer.
I agree. His ratings, after 4 years in the league, rank him #107 out of 149 Free Agents this year (according to my complex, position based formula which is VERY hard to understand). He plays way above that, sure, but this makes him as much suspicious to me as the negative effect on winning he had on the Pistons last year. They were 36-31 when they got him and 7-8 with him. Might be coincidence, but who knows how he'll be in 3 years. But max contract ? He'll make as much as 15mio in 5 years, which is superstar money (which he isn't and will never be) |
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« Reply #55 on: October 17, 2005, 11:25:57 AM » |
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Are we talking about next Gooden here?
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« Reply #56 on: October 17, 2005, 12:03:00 PM » |
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Hey Nets, I only offer Luke Jackson a six years deal not 7. Can you fix that? If not that's ok.
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First year salary: $10,950,000
Max Raises: 12.5% of first year salary
Length of contract: 6 years
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« Reply #57 on: October 17, 2005, 12:09:32 PM » |
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you're right. yes, i'll fix that. just pm it to me or i'll forget.
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« Reply #58 on: October 17, 2005, 12:14:43 PM » |
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All that money for 5ppg sub?
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« Reply #59 on: October 17, 2005, 12:14:54 PM » |
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I agree. His ratings, after 4 years in the league, rank him #107 out of 149 Free Agents this year (according to my complex, position based formula which is VERY hard to understand). He plays way above that, sure, but this makes him as much suspicious to me as the negative effect on winning he had on the Pistons last year. They were 36-31 when they got him and 7-8 with him.
Might be coincidence, but who knows how he'll be in 3 years.
But max contract ? He'll make as much as 15mio in 5 years, which is superstar money (which he isn't and will never be)
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