Just an Idea...Strange One BTW

[GrizzliesGM]

I say...If it ain't broke, then don't fix it.  Stick with the computer generated draft picks.

There have been good drafts and there have been bad drafts.  That's the way it goes in any sport.

I agree.

[RaptorsGM]

i concur

[NetsGM]

What I would probably do is just find people that resemble, say, Patrick Ewing, and change the name and College, and that's it.

[CelticsGM]

We would end up in countless discussions why this rating is to high and that rating is to low and so on


Using Bods "similar ratings" approach is the only way to avoid this but
- don't expect to see the "real" retro guys reappearing then. (Pat Ewing 2 might turn out more Billy Joe Kim than Oscar Ferry)
- don't manually twitch a single rating ... there's no way stopping this

- and, please, don't forget these retro guys came in like 12-15 drafts, not in ONE !

[BullsGM-old]

Look at this years draft class.  Most of the top players taken have dropped in ratings after TC.  A draft is supposed to help rebuild a losing team, but these drafts aren't producing franchise players (although a few come along every X amount of years).  Each draft needs a franchise player, a superstar, so I wouldn't mind doing this 'retro' draft with players that are better than usual

[SonicsGM]

Look at this years draft class.  Most of the top players taken have dropped in ratings after TC.  A draft is supposed to help rebuild a losing team, but these drafts aren't producing franchise players (although a few come along every X amount of years).  Each draft needs a franchise player, a superstar, so I wouldn't mind doing this 'retro' draft with players that are better than usual

Garrett Pettitt
Oscar Ferry
Nicklaus English
Trent Kundla
Vince Keogan

Those are just names off the top of my head.  There are as many superstar-caliber players coming out of the draft  as there are in the real NBA.  You just have to have the patience to see it over the course of a few years.

[Iverson2Korver43]

I wouldn't consider Ferry an elite player, look at his ratings after TC...  Vince Keogan's ratings are almost the same as Michael Redd's last season...  I think Pettit is the only "True" superstar to come out of one of these drafts and usually u find more than 1 in 3 drafts in the NBA...

[CelticsGM]

...Garrett Pettitt
Oscar Ferry
Nicklaus English
Trent Kundla
Vince Keogan

Those are just names off the top of my head.  There are as many superstar-caliber players coming out of the draft  as there are in the real NBA.  You just have to have the patience to see it over the course of a few years.

Please !

I know you're biased but what has Kundla to do with this list ? He's got nice ratings and is a better than average player, but I wouldn't consider a guy a star, much less a franchise player, who produced career averages of 9/4/3 - and two (2) double-doubles - in his first 3 years in this league.
 

[SonicsGM]

...Garrett Pettitt
Oscar Ferry
Nicklaus English
Trent Kundla
Vince Keogan

Those are just names off the top of my head.  There are as many superstar-caliber players coming out of the draft  as there are in the real NBA.  You just have to have the patience to see it over the course of a few years.

Please !

I know you're biased but what has Kundla to do with this list ? He's got nice ratings and is a better than average player, but I wouldn't consider a guy a star, much less a franchise player, who produced career averages of 9/4/3 - and two (2) double-doubles - in his first 3 years in this league.
 

All Defense First Team last year.  I'll take it.  Plus, those names were off the top of my head.

Others...
Patrick Gatling
Mason Mercer
Mikel Chamberlain (second round!)
Troy Havlicek


name the elite franchise players from the past three NBA drafts?  I'll bet you cannot name more than a half-dozen.

[SpursGM-old]

Also when you are dreaming of these retro players are you considering their skills when they entered the NBA or when they were at their career peaks?

Most of them developed over a few seasons.  Very few were 19-22 year old superstars as rookies.  Even MJ would have been much lower as a rookie then when he was leading the BUlls to several titles.

[NetsGM]

I wonder if people even read what I type?

What I would probably do is just find people that resemble, say, Patrick Ewing, and change the name and College, and that's it.

[SpursGM-old]

I wonder if people even read what I type?

What I would probably do is just find people that resemble, say, Patrick Ewing, and change the name and College, and that's it.

But my point is still valid (if your comment was directed at me)....would you use Ewings ratings as a rookie for comparison or his ratings as a 10 year veteran?  Or are you just talking height & weight?

But ultimately if I had a vote I would vote for no doctoring of the computer generated draft lists.

[NetsGM]

My post was directed to everybody's discussion about the strength's/weaknesses of the drafts and said worrying about me editing the players.

This has been a discussion we've had in my past.  I'm still a little worried about the talent level entering the league.  This draft had previously eased my fears of that, but after TC it's not looking that much better.  But that's not the discusison i'm having at this time.  

Changing the names would just be done to add a little bit of retro "hey, that's neat to this league".  I don't think it would need to be too liberal, because with the # of quality draftees, I don't think we could find any one draftee who would have the exact attributes of a David Robinson at any point in his career, when he entered the league or in his prime.  My biggest fear is that people would take these names TOO literal.  It's really just to alleviate the problem of having 16 guys with the last name of Tsakalidis in the league.

[BullsGM-old]

Well I guess I didn't understand the concept then.  I thought you would have a retro draft, with players that naturally have better ratings than most drafts, and change their names

Sonics, from that list, only Pettit and English and maybe Gatling (Vince is still unproven) are franchise changing players.  While Ferry and Mercer are amazing, they are not at the same level.

[HornetsGM]

I am also starting to get a little worried about the drafts.

However, part of the problem is that lots of the lower end teams are trading away their nice draft picks. It's nice that some Gms have confidence that they will be able to turn things around, but some teams should simply be more conservative with their picks.