Playoff Round 1 Discussions

[ClippersGM-old]

Wow, 6 hours later and I am still ******!

I can't believe what happened. Ok, Garnett is a terrific player, but a team can not win 1-on-5 ball. I did make some adjustments to play the wolves. I put Childress on Gatling and I put Chandler on Garnett. Both moves to put the best defenders on the Wolves top 2 scorers. Guess what... Garnett went crazy.

How can they win the last 3 in a row when 2 of those 3 are in LA????? That is just crazy! I had the 3-1 lead. This drives me crazy!

So what is the thing with these playoffs? Clippers, Raptors? (The two top teams by far) Hornets? Nuggets not even winning one single game?

[SixersGM]

A breakdown of my series with the Hornets
I scored 92ppg while limiting them to 85ppg. Which is pretty good compared to what im averaging during the regular season 99.6 to 97ppg.

Wow, that's pretty dominating actually.
You really made some great moves this season. I wish you luck against the Nets.

Hey, Thanks! I really think that you did deserve to win, with all the moves you made to win the ring this season. Anyway, best of luck to the both of us.

[JazzGM-old]

the advantage of being an 8th seed is you can take chances with strategy and if it works you're a genius and if it doesn't you weren't expected to win anyways. IMO, it's always tougher to be the team at the top and we all know the playoffs acts as a 2nd season, everyone starts 0-0.

As we've seen in real life (USA basketball, the Lakers, the Yankees off the top of my head) just because you stock a team with enormous talent doesn't necessarily mean championship rings. All and all this is a simulation, how can we argue how real it is when in reallife you still have things like Vermont beating Syracuse (which really screwed up my bracket this year), or Weber State beating UNC back in the day, and the many other examples you could come up with. The Raptors and Clippers had great seasons and were the focus of everyone's drooling. We all give mad props to their GM"s for making such juggernauts of teams (I mean we're talking the Clippers here, how "realistic" is that?). but I say congrats to the Twolves and Bucks, and lets not forget who the defending champs are .

[MagicGM]

quick recap of my matchup. i expected a loss because i had change my lineup..
i lost because of TO and getting outrebounded. Trough the series i even shot the better % but had games with 10 and more shots taken less.
big surprise on my team was hunter who avg in the first 3 games around 10 points as a a backup.. JO had a block festival but couldn´t score as usual after his injury.
congrats to the magic.

thanls

good luck next year.

pretty surprising how I beat the Pacers. I didn't really expct to win I wasn't even aware the Jermaine will be out for a game.

[NetsGM]

And sorely outcoached? You have got to be kidding me

Take a look at the moves Bucks made.  Take a look at the REASON the bucks made those moves.  Those were VERY good moves.  He doesn't win without the switching of Okur and, more specificially, Kobe/Smith.  That move alone allowed him to put his best defender on your only other offensive threat, and put his worst defender on a guy who couldn't score.

Then look at your moves.  For some reason, you thought it prudent to put the 7'6" 300+ lb ming at pf for a bit.

Yes, you were outcoached.  During the regular season Smith/Kobe averaged 33 ppg.  They averaged 46 ppg this series.

You were outcoached.  At least last year when I made the mistake of switching to inside focus, and took Billups completely out of the series, I was man enough to admit it.

[KingsGM-old]

What the hell is going on here?? Jesus, bunch of ridicilous results


but...........YEAH BABY!! Ah, finally!

[NetsGM]

Why did you bother to say you were shocked?

Because the Clippers lost.  When I saw the moves the Bucks made, I knew they had a chance.  The clippers should have beaten the Wolves anyway, AND the made the correct matchup moves, IMO.

[KingsGM-old]

Oh my God....Broderick Lousietti went crazy!!

[PacersGM]

Why did you bother to say you were shocked?

Because the Clippers lost.  When I saw the moves the Bucks made, I knew they had a chance.  The clippers should have beaten the Wolves anyway, AND the made the correct matchup moves, IMO.

hmm i think the clips also overreacted. KG can´t be stopped really but with brand he had a PF who could score also on KG and Chandler is a better help defender than a one and one.
so the move of Chandler to Pf is a mistake imo, because in the POs you need your best defender to stay on the floor and not foul out so quick.
if i think of the other change even more reason are there not to switch.
magette is a inside scorer with a great heigth advantage over gatling.
but i agree he should still have the advantage but without so big lineup changes it would have been a bigger one.

[KingsGM-old]

Kings Vs Warriors recap;

Game 1; 105 : 109 W
Broderick Lousietti (i just love this kid, even if it's fictional ) went completely mad having his best game of career; 26pts, 10asis, 6rebs shuting down Hinrich at 3/14 from the floor and only 7 points. Tmac; 24pts, 13reb, 8rebs with awesome all round game. Brad Miller 16/16, Gooden 16/7, Moiso 14/4 and James with 9pzs and 13reb. Team rebounds 65     . It can't get any better then that.

Game 2; 113:102 L
The only loss of the series. Warriors had almost 7 guys in double figures and recorded 58 rebounds while shooting almost 50% from the field.
Once again Louisetti played great; 21pts, 8asists, 5rebs. This kid is a starter material.

Game 3; 102:98 W
Close game. Mcgrady with 40/8/5, Gooden 19/10, Miller 14/6/11, Louisetti 13/5 in only 17 minutes, Marbury 10/10, Moiso 4/3/12. Forced the Wariorrs to 16 TO's and once again Hinrich was never able to find his range.

Game 4; 109:100 W
From this point on Marbury took the series over; 16points, 17asis, 7 rebs and huge 30+ perfomances from Miller (31/4/13) and Mcgrady (31/7/10). With James absence, Moiso once again picked up the slack with solid 12/11 performance. Louisetti with 9 points and 4 rebs in only 16 minutes. Team rebounds going for the 60 once again. I like that.

Game 5; 111:98 W
Marbury with nice all round game with 20/7/6, Brad Miller once again with superb performance as he gone for 29pts, 4blocks, 6asists and 13 rebs. Mcgrady with modest 20/8/5 and James went nuts with 16 pts and 20 rebounds performance. I need him to do that more often.

[RaptorsGM]

And sorely outcoached? You have got to be kidding me

Take a look at the moves Bucks made.  Take a look at the REASON the bucks made those moves.  Those were VERY good moves.  He doesn't win without the switching of Okur and, more specificially, Kobe/Smith.  That move alone allowed him to put his best defender on your only other offensive threat, and put his worst defender on a guy who couldn't score.

Then look at your moves.  For some reason, you thought it prudent to put the 7'6" 300+ lb ming at pf for a bit.

Yes, you were outcoached.  During the regular season Smith/Kobe averaged 33 ppg.  They averaged 46 ppg this series.

You were outcoached.  At least last year when I made the mistake of switching to inside focus, and took Billups completely out of the series, I was man enough to admit it.

Ok, about the Yao at PF thing - I just realized something that can explain it - I meant to do it all season (like last season), and I thought I did, except that I had Mihm as my 3rd string PF and my 3rd string C. Oops. So when I played Yao for a bit at PF, I was under the impression that he had played a bit of PF for the entire year.

Secondly, I ask again, what did you want me to do? To counter his moves, should I have moved Baron to C? Peja at PG? Look, I've been 61-21 for 2 years...why would I possibly want to fuck with that lineup? Did the Bucks make some good changes? Sure they did. Was I outcoached? Fuck no. How can you possibly say that? You're being a jackass about this.

You make it sound as if I should have played Baron at C (better perimiter defender), Cato at SF (A- defender) and maybe a better defender at SG (which I don't have).

I'd love to start a poll right now, but I'm not going to. The question of the poll would be "If you had a 61-21 team for 2 years in a row, would you make radical changes to your first round lineup when facing a 38-44 team?"

Re: your last paragraph - yeah, you fucked up last season. I didn't fuck up this. I didn't change anything - and therefore I didn't take anybody out of the game. Think about it.

Peja scored 23.4 ppg on 47% shooting by the way. Yeah, good argument with Kobe shutting him down  

[RaptorsGM]

So basically what you're saying is despite the fact that you had a bad matchup, and despite the fact that you got sorely outcoached, you should have advanced to the 2nd round against all that?

Yes, Yao scored.  But did he rebound?  No.  Why not?  Probably because he was trying to guard a 3 point shooter.  think that was a factor?

Peja has scored on some good defenders, but do you know how good their perimeter defense is?  Kobe's held opposing SG's to under 35% shooting for the year, and they make less than one a game against him.

First of all, I don't really get your bad matchup crap. A 61-21 team facing a 38-44 team IS NOT A BAD MATCHUP. The Bucks are not the only team with a big man who can hit 3's, and you know what? I've beat alot of those teams.


And sorely outcoached? You have got to be kidding me. Do you read the words that you type? Did you expect me to move Baron Davis to Center so he could guard the perimeter? You really do take the cake, you know.

I should have advanced to the 2nd round because I have the best team in this league, and was facing the worst team in the playoffs.

Why did you bother to say you were shocked?

Yes, you SHOULD have advanced to the second round.  However, teams do not advance in the playoffs due to their regular season standing.  Great move by the Bucks with Kobe and Okur.  Okur is a very good defensive big who can shoot the three...tough for Yao.  Kobe is a defensive monster who can score (takes out peja).  What's left?  A very good matchup and a team (the raptors) that have little depth, tons of youth (like my sonics...which is why I never win) and a terrible SG combo.

Suprising? yes.

Shocking? no.

Now, let's all be adults and move on.

We are not having anything more than an intelligent discussion, and therefore there is no reason for us to move on. If you don't like the fact that myself and the Clippers are angry and upset that we lost in the first round to 8 seeds, that's fine - don't read my posts.

During the series, Okur scored 8.3 ppg, grabbed 11.6 rpg and shot 45% from the floor. He was 0-4 from the 3 pt line, failing to take one the last 4 games of the series.

During the series, Peja scored 23.4ppg on 47% shooting. Kobe didn't take him out.

And after that, you're asking what's left? Baron Davis and Chris Mihm for me, Donta Smith and Jason Collier for him.

And my depth is not an issue. Cato, House, Lovelette all do fine jobs.

[RaptorsGM]

yea move on. it is the POs and everything can happen there. If we all can predict the outcome nobody would play this game. I am not even sure if bods did this sim again and again if the outcome would be the same even onetime. I agree with bods that the bucks gave you the matchup with the most troubles.
Even in real NBA sometimes things like that happen (remember the Denver-Seatle series).
Raps you have with no doubt a great team but no team is good enough to win it all. accept it and move on.

 


You put the amount of work I've put into mine team.

You break down you're team and build from scratch, building a team that wins at a 67% clip.

You lose in the first round, and just say "oh well".

[KingsGM-old]

Ouch.
http://ssba.phillyarena.net/boxes/126-7.html

I mean, that has to be a computer error.

[BucksGM]

During the series, Okur scored 8.3 ppg, grabbed 11.6 rpg and shot 45% from the floor. He was 0-4 from the 3 pt line, failing to take one the last 4 games of the series.

The perimeter isn't limited to the 3 point line.  The same effect would occur if Okur was shooting from 15-20 feet away, which is likely considering my offensive settings.

During the series, Peja scored 23.4ppg on 47% shooting. Kobe didn't take him out.

That was about 4 points below his average, but it leads to an interesting point.

The upset and the bickering aside, Toronto's team didn't do much out of the ordinary during the series (except for Game 6).  They shot in the high 40s % wise, Yao was huge and they outscored me by 5 ppg on average.  The only thing out of the ordinary was Kobe/Smith raising their ppg a combined 14, and that was made possible by a B- and B defender.

So all we have is a good home team holding serve 3 times and then stealing one road game behind huge outings by Kobe/Smith.  

Maybe the real surprise is that Toronto amassed a 61-21 record with no threat at the 2, 2 great scorers, one good scorer (Baron), a garbageman (Mihm) and average role players.  For all the time you've put into your team, and I know you have, there has always been room for improvement.  Regular season success does not automatically equal postseason success.