Playoff Round 1 Discussions

[KingsGM-old]

WOW, just can't belive how my players stepped up in the post season;

Mcgrady #5 in ppg (30.2)

James #7 in rpg  (13.7)

Miller #9 in rpg (12.6)

Marbury (maybe the best PG so far in this playoffs) #1 in apg with 11.3 and #8 in spg at 2.3

Congrats guys...

[RaptorsGM]

Yes- I'll give you that - you were a good home team. But you were a TERRIBLE road team and you beat me at the ACC in game 7.

Like I said before, you made good moves with Kobe and Smith.

However, if you want to break it down another way - here. Your first option, Kobe, scored 26.3 ppg. My first option, Yao, scored 33.3 ppg.

Your 2nd option, Smith, scored 19.6 ppg. My 2nd option, Peja, scred 23.4 ppg (which was 1.2 less than his season avg, not 4).

So my top option outscores you, and my 2nd option outscores you. You;re 3rd option was Collier, I believe? Collier went for 13.9ppg, 9.7rpg on 36.4% shooting.

To contrast, Mihm, Collier's matchup scored 14.1 ppg, grabbed 14.3 rpg and shot 43%.

[NetsGM]

hmm i think the clips also overreacted. KG can´t be stopped really but with brand he had a PF who could score also on KG and Chandler is a better help defender than a one and one.

Eh...I'm not so sure about that.  Chandler held opposing C's to 42% shooting, and brand was good as well at 43%.  But with the height differential, I'm not so sure putting chandler on kg was the wrong move.  And Brand was the one he wanted to get off offensively, so putting him at c made sense.

But, Chandler did get in foul trouble, so it might be debatable.  

And I agree, maggette on gatling might have been a bigger mismatch for the clippers than wolves.  But then again, Maggette on Van Horn should have been a mismatch as well.

[KingsGM-old]

Team rebounds really amazes me, i just hope this will continue against the Mavs (i would prefer Minny more to be honest);  65, 53, 56, 60, 60. I'm right there with Nets i belive...except for that ridicilous 74 rebounds effort in last game of the series.

[NetsGM]

Ok, about the Yao at PF thing - I just realized something that can explain it - I meant to do it all season (like last season), and I thought I did, except that I had Mihm as my 3rd string PF and my 3rd string C. Oops. So when I played Yao for a bit at PF, I was under the impression that he had played a bit of PF for the entire year.

Playing Yao at pf, whether in the regular season, post season, or preseason, is a mistake.

Did the Bucks make some good changes? Sure they did. Was I outcoached? Fuck no. How can you possibly say that? You're being a jackass about this.

The object of coaching, and the reason depth charts and pace settings are in this game, is to maximize talent.  All year long you've said "put everything normal and let talent win".  That's not maximizing talent.  The Bucks did a better job of maximizing talent, and that's why they outcoached you.

And nobody said Kobe shut him down.  What we did say was that it lowered Peja's effectiveness, increased Kobe's effectiveness, and increased Donta's effectiveness.

[NetsGM]

except for that ridicilous 74 rebounds effort in last game of the series.

Lol.

Well that's what happens when the Wizards miss 66 shots.

[RaptorsGM]

Putting things at normal DOES maximize my talent.

Putting my focus at Outside would benefit Peja and Baron, but kill Yao and Mihm.

Vice versa with the inside focus.

I was top 5 in ppg, and top 5 in oPPG (actually, 1st until I let the starters rest).


How is that not maximizing my talent. What more could I possibly do?

[KingsGM-old]

I don't think there is logical explanation to Raptors debacle. We can go on with all the micro analisis, but top to bottom, Raps are superior team in every single way.

[RaptorsGM]

I don't think there is logical explanation to Raptors debacle. We can go on with all the micro analisis, but top to bottom, Raps are superior team in every single way.

Not every way - not at SG, which I did get beat at.

But every other way, yeah, pretty much.

[NetsGM]

Well, I've already said putting Yao at PF is a mistake.

With an average pf/c height of 7'3", and a pg that has a propensity to turn the ball over, I would lower the pace.  I would probably lower the trap and press too, considering you're probably not all that mobile.  And I would not have Baron Davis as an option.  The 13 ppg doesn't warrant the extra turnovers it probably produces.

But this is all something you have to experiment with in the regular season.  But you clearly said "set everything to normal and let talent win".

Besides, whether or not you made mistakes is irrelevant to how much the Bucks maximized their talent and matchups.  He made use of his talent better than you, probably the best we've seen in a playoff series.  And this was the worst possible matchup for the raptors.  you would have had a much better time with the Hornets, 76ers or I.

[NetsGM]

If you're going with the Bucks lineup used this series.
Yao vs. Okur = obviously Yao
Mihm vs. Collier = Mihm
Peja vs. Kobe = Kobe
Buckner vs. Smith = Smith
Davis vs. Tinsley = Tinsley

Oh, I'm sure people will disagree with Baron/Tinsley.  Baron's a good name.  But he's got a lot more holes in his game.

Defensively they're about the same.  Tinsley gets 2.1 steals, Baron 2.2.  Tinsley holds starting pg's to 43% shooting, with 7.6 a/35 mins to 3.43 to/35 mins.  Baron hold starting pg's to 42% shooting, with 7.7 a/35 mins to 3.2 to/35.

Tinsley scored 12.9 ppg on 47% shooting, 38% 3pt, 74% ft.  Baron 12.9 ppg on 45% shooting, 32% 3pt, 59% ft.  Tinsley wins in to's/game, 2.6 to 4.3

Considering defensively they're close to equal, offensively they score the same, but Tinsley much more efficiently, and turnovers aren't even close.  Baron may be sexier, but Tinsley much less of a liability.

[RaptorsGM]

Well, I've already said putting Yao at PF is a mistake.

With an average pf/c height of 7'3", and a pg that has a propensity to turn the ball over, I would lower the pace.  I would probably lower the trap and press too, considering you're probably not all that mobile.  And I would not have Baron Davis as an option.  The 13 ppg doesn't warrant the extra turnovers it probably produces.

But this is all something you have to experiment with in the regular season.  But you clearly said "set everything to normal and let talent win".

Besides, whether or not you made mistakes is irrelevant to how much the Bucks maximized their talent and matchups.  He made use of his talent better than you, probably the best we've seen in a playoff series.  And this was the worst possible matchup for the raptors.  you would have had a much better time with the Hornets, 76ers or I.

Right -so make who the 3rd option instead of Davis, pray tell? Mihm at his 42% clip? Or Springs?

Yes, BUcks did maximize his talent, but he didn't outcoach me, as I did everything the way that I had before - the way that taught me to win.

And I kinda like Yao at PF - apprarently so does the program as when i didn't have Yao in my DC for the last sim he played alot of PF.

[NetsGM]

Right -so make who the 3rd option instead of Davis, pray tell? Mihm at his 42% clip? Or Springs?

Then are you admitting a mistake on building your team?

BTW, the program will just fill in your best players automatically when they aren't listed at all.  I just checked your computer recommended dc, and yao ming is not listed at pf any 3 times.

[RaptorsGM]

If you're going with the Bucks lineup used this series.
Yao vs. Okur = obviously Yao
Mihm vs. Collier = Mihm
Peja vs. Kobe = Kobe
Buckner vs. Smith = Smith
Davis vs. Tinsley = Tinsley

Oh, I'm sure people will disagree with Baron/Tinsley.  Baron's a good name.  But he's got a lot more holes in his game.

Defensively they're about the same.  Tinsley gets 2.1 steals, Baron 2.2.  Tinsley holds starting pg's to 43% shooting, with 7.6 a/35 mins to 3.43 to/35 mins.  Baron hold starting pg's to 42% shooting, with 7.7 a/35 mins to 3.2 to/35.

Tinsley scored 12.9 ppg on 47% shooting, 38% 3pt, 74% ft.  Baron 12.9 ppg on 45% shooting, 32% 3pt, 59% ft.  Tinsley wins in to's/game, 2.6 to 4.3

Considering defensively they're close to equal, offensively they score the same, but Tinsley much more efficiently, and turnovers aren't even close.  Baron may be sexier, but Tinsley much less of a liability.

I can agree with all that.


But look BEYOND that.

Yao vs. Okur - Yao by A LONG SHOT.
Mihm vs. Collier - Mihm by alot.
Peja vs Kobe - Kobe, barely.
Buckner vs. Smith - Smith by alot.
Baron vs. Tinsley - Tinsley, barely.

So he may have had had 3 of the 5 mathcups won, but in 2 of those, it was so close where an argument could easily be made for either side.

Yao DOMINATES Okur. ruins him. Mihm had his way with Collier too (Mihm's blocks were also very high. 3.6).

I still think I should have won - but i think I know what I want to change for next season now.

[RaptorsGM]

Right -so make who the 3rd option instead of Davis, pray tell? Mihm at his 42% clip? Or Springs?

Then are you admitting a mistake on building your team?

BTW, the program will just fill in your best players automatically when they aren't listed at all.  I just checked your computer recommended dc, and yao ming is not listed at pf any 3 times.

I'm not sure if it's a mistake, because I think that Baron is a nice enough 3rd option.

But as I make changes, that is something I might look into.