Sixers - Hawks Deal

[SpursGM-old]

IMO the Hawks got the short end of the deal...mainly for the reasons already stated: age, 2 starters for 1, low draft pick.

But then I really like it for the Hawks since I hold their 2009 draft pick.  

[HawksGM]

AI is 31.  Manu is 29 which is only 2 years younger.  And yea Tanner is 24 which is a lot younger but age isn't a huge factor.  I have one of the best defensive/rebounding big men in the league, a good point guard a good role playing defensive player in Tayshaun Prince but I didn't have a scorer.  AI might not put up 26 but he doesn't need to do that.  He needs to put up 20-22 more this to be a good trade in my eyes.  And you can have too much youth.  My team is still young, trading one of my young guys and my 2 oldest guys isn't gonna hurt with age that much.  I'm not gonna win the title this year but I'm not going nowhere, I should make the playoffs with AI leading the charge

[CelticsGM]

Just a theory:

Since this deal involves AI and most of the guys here are from Philly, could it be probably more a "Having AI" thing than anything else.

no evidence whatsoever, just a theory ...

[JazzGM-old]

well the two years he has AI, it gives 2 years of development to Ivan Strong and he could pick up a SG this next draft and have an extra TC before he depends on something out of that SG....like someone else had noted, it helps him capwise too.

[HawksGM]

Celtics: I'm a fan of AI but that's not the reason.  I think he's a good player in the league, better than both Tanner and Manu

[PacersGM]

well the two years he has AI, it gives 2 years of development to Ivan Strong and he could pick up a SG this next draft and have an extra TC before he depends on something out of that SG....like someone else had noted, it helps him capwise too.

i don´t see the point. first the cap situation isn´t better now maybe it will be even worse since he will have some pretty heavy decisions to make in the offseason. the other point of having time to develop a draft pick is even worse. if he really reach the POs - which i doubt - the sixers will also reach it and the pick wouldn´t be high enough either. With manu and tanner this idea would make more sense of developing talent.
i can´´t wait to see how tanner will perform next to a true low post guy.

[HawksGM]

the cap situation probably won't help because I will try and re-sign Gadz and Iggy and maybe TJ Ford and Josh Smith.  The pick wasn't a big thing, just somebody to add that might develop but the whole idea of this trade for me was to add a scorer.  I think AI will drop 24 a game but obviously many of you disagree which is fine.  Tanner and Manu weren't giving me anything special that I will really miss.  Gadz will pick up the blocked shots and AI will pick up the steals and scoring and Manu isn't that much better at defending players as far as allowing points and %'s that I know of but I don't have one of those spreadsheets.  The whole idea of this trade for me was to get a scorer and if it doesn't work I have a big expiring next year.

[GoldenStateGM]

I wonder if Manu could have been that scorer for the Hawks.
I know he only averaged 16 ppg in the last sim, but that was with 7 rpg and 5.5 assists per game as well, on 53% and  42%...
I think he will do quite well as a 2nd option to Timmy.
I think AI might drop 25 ppg, as long as he takes the shots.

My first year, I did not have a player score over 18 ppg, and still made it to the 2nd round of the playoffs.  The 4 players in doubel figures the Hawks had was pretty nice.  
But we shall see, I do expect AI to finally make the top 10 in points this year.

[HawksGM]

this deal might also, sometime down the line, allow Ivan to start.  As of now, I don't have a 3rd option which Ivan could be.  We'll see how it works out in tonights sim but there's still a lot of playing around with my team I want to do

[SixersGM]

Wow.. I didnt expect this kind of reactions from other GMs. When I and the HeatGM did check this trade out we thought that its i got the short end because of the 1st rounder i gave.

Anyway, like pacersGM said, AI did somehow killed my team chances competing for the ring for too many years. Yes, he did gave me good numbers in scoring, steals and assists. But his turnovers did really hurt my team. This deal also helps me have a smooth transition with the Tim Duncan Era and the rebuilding era, with Terp and Tanner being solid young cornerstone.

For the Hawks, they did receive one of the highest rated player in SSBA. I believe that if AI did have his own team he would be a 25ppg 8apg player. I just thought that AI was in a wrong situation from his first year in the sim league. And with the AI's age issue, well Gino isnt young anymore. And Tanner seems to be a player who would not improve for the rest of his career, based on his previous stats and potential. Hawks got the best player in the deal in AI, and my 1st rounder would compensate all the tangibles lost in the deal.

[HawksGM]

I think this is a very even deal based on what our teams have and what we need.

[NetsGM]

So far opposing C's have shot 39.2% against tanner and have more turnovers than assists, steals or blocks.

The man can play defense.

[PacersGM]

So far opposing C's have shot 39.2% against tanner and have more turnovers than assists, steals or blocks.

The man can play defense.

i agree he is defently one of the better defenders at C. I think too many gms only check the scores and forget that basketball should be played on both ends of the floor.

[SixersGM]

The Hawks got Gadzuric who is an excellent defender, he might somehow help defend the C position.

[HawksGM]

there is no doubt at all that Tanner is a great defensive center, but I do have Gadz to try and help make up for the less.  Drobnjak is as good rating wise but his size won't be able to make up for it.  It will hurt defensively losing him but I'm giving up 100 a game anyway, hopefully w/AI, Schenk and TJ Ford I can put a lot of pressure on opposing guards w/Gadz anchoring inside