Sixers - Hawks Deal

[SixersGM]

Allen Iverson
2009's 1st rounder

for

Tanner
Kurt Thomas
Ginobili

[SixersGM]

I hope that there will be no comments until both teams have agreed with this deal.

The reason i do this deal is because i felt the need of depth in my team. Both tanner and Gino are very good defensive players. This trade also makes me maximize Mikel Chamberlain with giving him the starting role at the PG position.

[HawksGM]

agreed

I think this is a good trade for both teams, he can move AI because of the Mikel Chamberlain signing and I need a scorer.  Losing Tanner and especially Manu hurts but I think it will be worth it.  It's nice to finally have a bonafid #1 option

[RaptorsGM]

Don't like it from the Sixers because of that pick. Player wise, I think it is slightly in favour of the Hawks, and then getting the pick makes it a great deal for them.

I understand it from a Sixer point of view, what with Chamberlin at PG. Putting Manu beside him should be ok from a defensive prespective.

But Tanner really isn't much of anything. Not to down play the guy (B C+ offense is great), but how many C's have at least A- defense in this league? Granted, he does block shots well.

[GoldenStateGM]

Wow...  Love this trade for the Sixers.
First, the Tanner/Duncan frontcourt is an excellent froncourt, especially since Duncan is such a great rebounder.  Tanner in the high post, Duncan down low...  deadly.   And defensively, probably one of the few frontcourts that can play well against Yao/Mihm and Emeka/Sammy (and Araujo/Swift, if I may say so myself).
Love the Manu addition as well.  Great defender at the 2, allows Terpening to move to his natural SF spot.

Not a fan of this deal for the Hawks.  Iverson has not been let loose as a primary option, not with Duncan in the mix, so not really sure of his full ability right now.  But he has not shown himself to be that good in this league yet.
This does give the Hawks tons of cap room in two years, when AI comes off the books.  However, AI will likely demand a huge contract at the age of 33, so this seems like a 2 year rental of AI...

[NetsGM]

Wow...  Love this trade for the Sixers.
First, the Tanner/Duncan frontcourt is an excellent froncourt, especially since Duncan is such a great rebounder.  Tanner in the high post, Duncan down low...  deadly.   And defensively, probably one of the few frontcourts that can play well against Yao/Mihm and Emeka/Sammy (and Araujo/Swift, if I may say so myself).
Love the Manu addition as well.  Great defender at the 2, allows Terpening to move to his natural SF spot.

Not a fan of this deal for the Hawks.  Iverson has not been let loose as a primary option, not with Duncan in the mix, so not really sure of his full ability right now.  But he has not shown himself to be that good in this league yet.
This does give the Hawks tons of cap room in two years, when AI comes off the books.  However, AI will likely demand a huge contract at the age of 33, so this seems like a 2 year rental of AI...

^-- What he said.

Iverson is a 31 year old who has never shown himself capable of being a #1 option.  Rather than building a team around him, it seems you have to build a team for him, and you don't have a lot of flexibility.  His defense is overrated (in the first sim, opposing pg's shot 49.3%, 55.6% from 3 pt range), drastically increased by steals, but just like real life can't stick with his man, or prevent them from getting in the paint (pg's averaged nearly 6 assists/game in 24 minutes, or 12 per 48 minutes against him).

I just don't think Allen Iverson is a bonafide #1 in this league, and not justification to give up 2 VERY good players in this league.  Heck, I'm not sure I'd give up either Tanner or Gnobili for him, let alone both.

[KingsGM-old]

Strange deal. Bad for the Hawks for sure. Why did he traded 2 nice young players with good defense for a 31 year old player with awfull contract and almost 6 to's a game?

Iverson might be fine, but only as a missing piece on some champinship caliber team. I don't think he'll lead the Hawks to  the playoffs and will hurt their FA chances next year....

[RaptorsGM]

I look for Iverson to break out with the Hawks.

I'm talking 25 5 and 5 at least.

[NetsGM]

I could see 20/7/5

I' not sure whether the 7 is to's or assisits though

[HawksGM]

I disagree with you that Tanner and Manu are both very good players.  Manu maybe but in both games against the Magic Ray Allen had 38 and 39 on him.  Manu is a decent defensive player but he too is a little inflated (maybe not as much as AI) by his steals.  Tanner is a good player in the league.  Hell he gets 8 boards a game with C rebounding that's pretty impressive and he's got a C+ outside shot.  Tanner is also able to be dealed because Predrag Drobnjak off the bench (who will be starting after I change my DC) will be just as effective as Tanner in a starting role.  This deal may be questionable but I needed a good #1 option and AI was the best scorer that I could get with what I wanted to deal.

[RaptorsGM]

I could see 20/7/5

I' not sure whether the 7 is to's or assisits though

 

Wont be as many To's at the 2.

[PacersGM]

great trade for the sixers. if you look now on his role players they are all great defenders. biggest problem for the sixers has been AI imo because he couldn´t pass the ball to timmy. tanner is not a great  offense guy but with timmy he will form a great tandem and his ability to shoot from outside will free some space inside for duncan. manu is more than just a solid steal defender he can pass and his shot selection is way better than AIs. The pick will be something between 20-29.
I can´t understand why the hawks traded for an old guy and gave up two starters for him.

[JazzGM-old]

the hawks did need a number 1 option, he had a bunch of players that are on the brink of being a number 1 but not quite there, just a lot of secondary options. Drobniak does play above his ratings, not to mention he still had Gadz, and Tanner has just been upsetting so far in this league. I was doubting the deal for the Hawks but then I saw the 09 pick which evened it up for me, especially with the added strength of next year's draft. I feel it's a good trade for both teams. Although I don't know what the Hawks are going to do about AI's turnovers, even if he gets put at SG, but Tanner and Ginobili equal out his turnovers I guess.

Gadzuric/Pollard
Drobnjak/Strong
Prince/Iguodala
AI/Iguodala
Shenk/Ford

not bad

[PacersGM]

the hawks did need a number 1 option, he had a bunch of players that are on the brink of being a number 1 but not quite there, just a lot of secondary options. Drobniak does play above his ratings, not to mention he still had Gadz, and Tanner has just been upsetting so far in this league. I was doubting the deal for the Hawks but then I saw the 09 pick which evened it up for me, especially with the added strength of next year's draft. I feel it's a good trade for both teams.

you think AI can avg. 26 pts? i liked his team before. he had solid starters and enough youth to build something for the future. now with AI he will go nowhere. AI will decrease in one or two years and his team isn´t good enough to win it all this year. So where is the point to trade for an aging Allstar if you can´t win now.

[NetsGM]

Maybe he helps him win enough games that he attracts free agents.

other than that, i agree.