Our Draft vs. NBA Draft

[BullsGM-old]

I think we do need better players in the SSBA drafts...but I also think that aside from Raymond Felton, nobody in this year's NBA draft will be an impact player, this is one of the worst NBA drafts in a while IMO. Gerald Green is probably a little higher than the Celtics ratings but not too much.  From what I've seen he can shoot a little, he can dunk and that's pretty much it.  He can't dribble at an NBA level, he's too weak to play the 3, but not quick enough defensively to play the 2.  I'm not saying he won't turn into a decent player, but he's not ready yet.  My point is it's ok to have a bad draft or 2, but I think adding a few guys in any random drafts isn't a bad idea.  As Nets said the SSBA players won't improve like a lot of the guys in the NBA do further into their career.  Larry Brown made Chauncey Billups good in the NBA, you let Jim O'Brien coach him and he's not an all-star player

 

I couldn't disagree more. I think Bogut will average 16 and 12 next year, I think Paul and D.Williams will become two of the top 10 PGs in the NBA. I think Danny Granger will turn out to be as good or better than Shawn Marion.

I think this is one of the top 5 drafts EVER.

Raps, some of your draft analysis has warrented a

This will be a deep draft, no question about that.  Players like Head, Nate Robinson, Maxiell, Hodge, Ellis etc would be 1rst rounders in most other seasons.  But this is not a top 5 draft of all time.  Outside of Bogut, Paul Deron, I don't think anyone will be a MAJOR contributor next year.

First you said Bogut will be one of the best rebounders of all time, now Granger being better than Marion?  He doesn't have the perimeter game Marion has, and Grangers man to man defense is very much unproven (because of the New Mexico zone)

[KingsGM-old]

absoultly no way bogut will be 16/12 guy in his first year

[BullsGM-old]

absoultly no way bogut will be 16/12 guy in his first year

In the east?  Sure he will, I'd be very surprised if he wasn't

[SpursGM-old]

I couldn't disagree more. I think Bogut will average 16 and 12 next year, I think Paul and D.Williams will become two of the top 10 PGs in the NBA. I think Danny Granger will turn out to be as good or better than Shawn Marion.

I think this is one of the top 5 drafts EVER.

So Bogut will rebound better than any player in the NBA except Garnett and Wallace??????   They were the only TWO players to average 12 boards a game.  Not Shaq.  Not Duncan.  Not even any Phoenix player who played under a run & gun system (more shots = more rebound opportunities).

[RaptorsGM]

Wait and watch.

16+/12

Top rebounder on the bucks? Joe Smith at 7.3 per.

Bogut is going to get alot of chances.

[SonicsGM]

I couldn't disagree more. I think Bogut will average 16 and 12 next year, I think Paul and D.Williams will become two of the top 10 PGs in the NBA. I think Danny Granger will turn out to be as good or better than Shawn Marion.

I think this is one of the top 5 drafts EVER.

Listen to the experts, and your opinion will be different.  Bogut is nice, but he will never be a super star.  Green and both Williams could be very good, but it's a crapshoot, like all other drafts.

This NBA draft isn't very good, especially for ready-now talent.  The Raptors ratings would have had Bogut average a crazy 25 and 13 with Green scoring 29, 10 and 8.  They may get to those ratings in a few years, but not as rookies.  

My point in a nutshell: Raptors rated these guys as they could be in their prime.  Not as an 18 year old rookie entering the league.  Green is a great HS player, as Kobe and T-Mac were (not necessarily Lebron-good).  Kobe and T-mac did NOTHING as rookies...they didn't score 20 PPG.  So, ratings similar to what the Celtics stated are more realistic.  That's all I have to say.

[HawksGM]

I'll agree with Raps, talent wise this is a top 5 draft.  The thing I don't think he is right on is the intangibles these kids have.  Deron Williams is a hard nose player who gives it 110%, but his defense is lacking and he will always be in foul trouble because he uses his hands on man to man defense.  The way refs called games he'll be sitting in 10 minutes guarding a guy like Luke Ridnour.

Bogut also has a lot of good attributes.  He has a mean streak to him but he also needs to be smart while using his mean streak.  NBA is a totally different game, his hands are impeccable, but his foot work isn't as good IMO, an average NBA defender will be able to tell what he's going to do before he does it.

Chris Paul has the best chance of being great in this league.  He's a smart player, great handles and good leader.  But right now he's too small to be effective, no way he's gonna guard Chauncey Billups, Gary Payton, Jason Kidd or any guard 6'2 and over with a little meat on them.  Saying this, I'd take Paul #1 despite his size and streaky shooting.

Granger I haven't seen enough to comment too heavily on.  But I saw a game in the tournament and based on that game he's offensively gifted, his outside shot has potential, but he's a far far way from Marion defensively on the perimeter.

As for Green, he jumped up in the draft because of the all-star games.  He's as athletic as hell and can shoot pretty decent from a college 3.  I don't think his shot is quick enough to get off with a guy in his face, saying that his jumping ability will help out.  He will have to change his mechanics to have an effective NBA jumper, which you need as a 2 guard which I think they ae having him play in the NBA.  He WILL NOT be able to guard any starting SG's in the NBA until maybe 3 or 4 years in te league.  He has potential to become an effective player in the league averaing maybe 12/5/5 but i think he'll be the next Darius Miles, and overpayed guy who turns into a team cancer with an attitude problem.  That's just my opinion as I eat my egg whites and toast early this morning
This draft has some good prospects but it's not top 5 IMO

[BullsGM-old]

I'll agree with Raps, talent wise this is a top 5 draft.  The thing I don't think he is right on is the intangibles these kids have.  Deron Williams is a hard nose player who gives it 110%, but his defense is lacking and he will always be in foul trouble because he uses his hands on man to man defense.  The way refs called games he'll be sitting in 10 minutes guarding a guy like Luke Ridnour.

Wha?  Deron is a great defender, due to his lack of lateral quicks in college he HAD to use his footwork and bball IQ, his defense isn't lacking.  Now that he's actually in shape and has faster lateral speed than Paul, he should be fine defensively

Bogut also has a lot of good attributes.  He has a mean streak to him but he also needs to be smart while using his mean streak.  NBA is a totally different game, his hands are impeccable, but his foot work isn't as good IMO, an average NBA defender will be able to tell what he's going to do before he does it.

I probably haven't seen as much of Bogut as you have, but his footwork is one of his strengths.  His defense is an issue, not anything on the offensive side.  Whenever I saw him play, he was actually running the team, dictating to his teammates where to go.  He's a great passer, and has a great understanding of the game

As for Green, he jumped up in the draft because of the all-star games.  He's as athletic as hell and can shoot pretty decent from a college 3.  I don't think his shot is quick enough to get off with a guy in his face, saying that his jumping ability will help out.  He will have to change his mechanics to have an effective NBA jumper, which you need as a 2 guard which I think they ae having him play in the NBA.  He WILL NOT be able to guard any starting SG's in the NBA until maybe 3 or 4 years in te league.  He has potential to become an effective player in the league averaing maybe 12/5/5 but i think he'll be the next Darius Miles, and overpayed guy who turns into a team cancer with an attitude problem.  That's just my opinion as I eat my egg whites and toast early this morning
This draft has some good prospects but it's not top 5 IMO

This isn't directed at you specifically, but where is everyone getting this from?  Since when is Green a cancer with an attitude problem?  Maybe I'm missing something here, but I think people just assume he has an attitude problem because he's from highschool

[HawksGM]

Wha?  Deron is a great defender, due to his lack of lateral quicks in college he HAD to use his footwork and bball IQ, his defense isn't lacking.  Now that he's actually in shape and has faster lateral speed than Paul, he should be fine defensively

Yes Deron has good foot skills, but that's against Big Ten opponents.  He won't be able to move his feet quick enough in the league, and I think he'll use his good upper body strength to make up for that, leading to fouls.

I probably haven't seen as much of Bogut as you have, but his footwork is one of his strengths.  His defense is an issue, not anything on the offensive side.  Whenever I saw him play, he was actually running the team, dictating to his teammates where to go.  He's a great passer, and has a great understanding of the game

Yea, I haven't seen much besides the tourney, but from what I saw he used his height to his advantage.  His foot skills are good in drills at the camps.  But relating that to the game is totally different IMO.  He's VERY predictable with his moves inside.

This isn't directed at you specifically, but where is everyone getting this from?  Since when is Green a cancer with an attitude problem?  Maybe I'm missing something here, but I think people just assume he has an attitude problem because he's from highschool

I read an article that he wouldn't do certain drills at a workout and he didn't looked pleased to be there.  I ever read that he didn't show up for a team workout and his agent was making excuses.  This wasn't a very reputable source and I can't find the article but if I do I'll post it, it could just be a bunch of BS.  Even without the attitude issues, he isn't gonna be good enough to be a star, and I think I would take a lot of guys in this draft before him...all of this is just my opinion though, also it's not directed at anyone, just some friendly banter....I like talking about this stuff, so keep the varying opinions coming

[KingsGM-old]

i just don't trust to white 1st pick! Big Country Reeves always comes to mind

[BullsGM-old]

i just don't trust to white 1st pick! Big Country Reeves always comes to mind

Big Country wasn't a 1rst overall pick, and he was a 16/9 player before his chronic injuries kicked in.

[HawksGM]

i just don't trust to white 1st pick! Big Country Reeves always comes to mind

Big Country wasn't a 1rst overall pick, and he was a 16/9 player before his chronic injuries kicked in.

true, he was a force until he got injured, too bad, he would have been a solid starter for his career

[KingsGM-old]

i don't know, i just don't trust to my own people! Croat being the first pick overall makes me very skeptical

[RaptorsGM]

Roko Ukic is going to be a very good NBA player.

Hoping the Raptors can get him at 16.

And he's from Croatia.

[KingsGM-old]

i just can't belive how high are people on him. i played against him for gods sake. he's a poor man Shawn Livingston or Sebastian Telfair. i tell you, he'll get murdered in NBA