Paul Pierce, Dirk, Shawn Marion.
Defense counts.
Team record doesn't make mihm better than garnett. That's the most laughable comment I've ever heard.
Paul Pierce over Peja is one of the most laughable comments I've ever heard.
Being able to handle the ball matters too. Being available to play big minutes matters too. Scoring matters too.
And now you've listed Dirk as a SF and a PF.
At this stage I'd take Mihm over O'Neal. And I'd sure as hell take Peja over Paul Pierce.
Dirk plays SF so he belongs in this discussion of SF's.
Fine, take dirk out of the PF discussion and put Hoffa in, and the discussion still stands.
As for Pierce vs. Peja, not even close to laughable. 26.5 ppg with A- defense I would take over 29 ppg at B defense. Obviously Peja's going to turn the ball over less. He's a set shooter.
And if you're going to completely devalue a guy based on turnovers, that takes Baron davis and his 2nd in the league 4.9 turnovers per game out of the running for best pg. What's the difference between Baron and Chauncey?
Baron: 15.2 ppg (43.3%, 69%, 35%), 10 apg, 4.9 topg (2/1 a/to), 2.6 spg
Chauncey: 15.2 ppg (46.7%, 82%, 37.5%), 9.3 apg, 3.6 topg (2.6/1 a/to), 2 spg.
Statistically about the same (score the same, chauncey does so much more efficiently, baron gets slightly more steals and assists, but Chauncey has a better a/to and s/to ratio). So what's the difference? Defense. Chauncey's a B defender.
If you're going to tell me Pierce can't be better than Peja because of TO's, even though he's a better defender, I'll tell you Baron can't be better than Chauncey because of TO's, even though Baron's a better defender.
Obviously, that's laughable. Just like your dismissal of Pierce.
And Dirk, IMO, is clearly better. Still puts up 25 pts, with great percentages, and plays
A defense, without turnovers. Just like I think Marion is CLEARLY better. Heck, now that Kirilenko has moved to SF, I'd take him over Peja.
We could sit here and wait until the computer makes the selections, but that would be stupid. The computer deciding doesn't make one right or wrong. But if you honestly think Mihm's the best PF in the game, and to a lesser extent Peja's the best SF in the game, then you have issues.