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« Reply #15 on: May 31, 2005, 10:44:43 PM »

Thank you for the support, guys...
Believe me, I know what I'm doing. I chose not to put James up on the block. It was my decision. If you didn't have a chance of getting James because of it, tough. If you think that I got ripped off and that you would have offered more, then good for you. All I know is that this Cleveland team will come out stronger then ever. Just wait and see. Wait and see...
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« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2005, 10:50:09 PM »

And don't forget to get rid of that sig, though ...
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... and the Avatar, while we're at it ...
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« Reply #17 on: May 31, 2005, 10:51:14 PM »

Cool

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« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2005, 10:51:37 PM »

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Thank you for the support, guys...
Believe me, I know what I'm doing. I chose not to put James up on the block. It was my decision. If you didn't have a chance of getting James because of it, tough. If you think that I got ripped off and that you would have offered more, then good for you. All I know is that this Cleveland team will come out stronger then ever. Just wait and see. Wait and see...


Personally I do not think it was that bad of a deal, people have to remember that Lebron James is just a name in this league (although he still has insane ratings).  I think almost everyone here has had their trade called bad, I know I have even though most have worked out for me.

That said, you can't deny the fact you could and would have gotten a better deal for Bron.
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« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2005, 10:52:01 PM »

Damn, and my avater. Bron, I'm gon miss you...

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« Reply #20 on: May 31, 2005, 10:56:36 PM »

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Personally I do not think it was that bad of a deal, people have to remember that Lebron James is just a name in this league


Erm...21 ppg with all-league defense is more than just a name.
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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2005, 07:08:01 AM »

Cavs, sorry buddy, but I lost all the respect I had for you as a GM with those comments you just made.

IF you chose not to put Lebron on the block, then you are an idiot.

Lebron is not just a name. He is going to be MVP of this league MORE THAN ONCE, and I'm willing to bet alot on that.

This entire league has gotten trade crazy. It's becomming stupid, like other leagues are. Just a trading contest.

But you have some seriously twisted logic going on. Why would you choose not to put Lebron on the block? You would have had 28 PM's of teams offering their best players. There are ALOT of players in this league better than Odom.

Really, it's not tough for us that we didn't get a chance to get Lebron. Here's the bottom line: If you put him on the block, you have a chance to rape any other team in this league. Because you didn't, you got raped.
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« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2005, 07:26:08 AM »

Does his age have to do with the fact he doesn't put up numbers like he' supposed to?  Even this year his numbers aren't very good, he's only 20 but he's been in the league for 3 years
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« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2005, 07:30:25 AM »

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Cavs, sorry buddy, but I lost all the respect I had for you as a GM with those comments you just made.

IF you chose not to put Lebron on the block, then you are an idiot.

Lebron is not just a name. He is going to be MVP of this league MORE THAN ONCE, and I'm willing to bet alot on that.

This entire league has gotten trade crazy. It's becomming stupid, like other leagues are. Just a trading contest.

But you have some seriously twisted logic going on. Why would you choose not to put Lebron on the block? You would have had 28 PM's of teams offering their best players. There are ALOT of players in this league better than Odom.

Really, it's not tough for us that we didn't get a chance to get Lebron. Here's the bottom line: If you put him on the block, you have a chance to rape any other team in this league. Because you didn't, you got raped.


Way to overreact, its A GAME.

A GAME.  

Calm down dude, you're not the only GM who had an opinion on this trade but you're the only one freakin out.  I think it's been mentioned like 10 times in this thread that he should have put it on the block, he doesn't need to hear it more.  

I'd be downright insulted by that post, personally and as a GM.  You basically called him stupid and an idiot.

I bet alot of GM's have lost respect for you with your constant over reactions
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« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2005, 07:33:42 AM »

This is "A GAME" that alot of us enjoy playing.

Somebody needs to make the point. People don't seem to be getting it. If this becomes a trading contest, people will soon lose interest and drop out, then SSBA will be over.

I don't want that to happen.


And I was responding to the Cavs post, which was stupid, wherein he acted like an idiot.
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« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2005, 07:54:39 AM »

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IF you chose not to put Lebron on the block, then you are an idiot.


Dude, shut up, and quit telling people how to run their team.

And the rest of your post was the hypocritical garbage.  The Cavs held on to LeBron for 2+ years through mediocrity.  How many times have you gone through wholesale changes in that point?  Do you have 1 player on your team from a year ago?
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« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2005, 09:48:01 AM »

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Does his age have to do with the fact he doesn't put up numbers like he' supposed to?  Even this year his numbers aren't very good, he's only 20 but he's been in the league for 3 years

I doubt it....  Oscar Ferry averaged 25 ppg last year, and he was 18 years old.
But it is might be where his offensive skills are.  
From an outside shooting perspective, he is a very good free throw shooter, and I think the outside number is developed using free throw shooting and 3 pt range (maybe mid range shooting as well)  So he does not much 3 pt range.
Or, he could just be on the low end of his ratings.  There is still a decent range in the ratings, even with the +/- system.
Jason Richardson had the same B+ B offensive ratings, and averaged 22 ppg last year.  But he did not have Big Z to share the ball with.
And MoPete, with great ability, is just passive, as is Battier.
Mason Mercer, as a point, scores 20 ppg...  Baron Davis, when played as a 1st option, has never scored more then 14 ppg, and he was a more well rounded offensive player the Mercer (before a TC or two)
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« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2005, 10:24:26 AM »

Not to mention, here you are complaining about this league turning into a trading frenzy, when you ran the damned Vince Sweapstakes.

Raptors, let's not lose focus of what this is.  You're upset you didn't get LeBron.  Let's not turn this into some damned fools idealistic crusade here.
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« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2005, 10:44:00 AM »

As someone who's taken his fair share of criticism lately regarding trades, I'd like to chime in.  One, not everyone enjoys the time nor effort required to constantly put guys "on the block" and have a bidding war ensue.  

Two, most trades evolve from one GM saying to another, "Is this guy available?  What will it take to get him?"  And then PM's go back and forth.  I personally don't find it moral/ethical/whatever to stop talking with the GM who initiated things in order to announce to the rest of the league that the guy(s) for sale.  I know, personally, that I'm usually not thinking about trading a guy until I get a PM for him, so unless we constantly have "on the block" posts about everyone, I don't see how to realistically do this.

Three, each GM knows his/her team best.  I find it odd that certain GM's can know with certainty that a deal is so incredibly lopsided.  While I'm pretty new to this, I pretty much only made one trade my first year because I was still getting the hang of it.  And most people on here are relatively experienced with this game, so I think you have to trust that they know what they're doing.  I mean, KMart for me is a perfect example.  I had him twice, and each time he didn't impress me.  He took way too many shots (despite being a 2nd option) and had way too low a percentage for my liking.  He didn't fit with my team, regardless of what his ratings might say.  I'm sure the same situation played out here with LeBron.  Why else would Cavs trade him?  To me, he didn't appear to play up to what his ratings suggest he should.  And Cavs would know that a hell of a lot better than anyone else.

Four, deals aren't just done for the thrill of trading.  GM's identify specific areas of need, and work to fill those.  At least, that's how I operated, and I'm sure I'm not alone.  The whole package has to be analyzed in terms of how it addresses the areas of need for that team.  In this case, it appears that Cavs realized the one star wasn't getting it done, so he moved a HUGE contract, got an All-Star in return, and shored up his depth.  Seems like a fair enough offer to me.  Could he have gotten more?  Probably.  But is this trade on par with Barkley for Perry/Lang/Hornacek?  Not in my opinion.
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« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2005, 10:47:08 AM »

Wowowee..
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