Tanking

[RaptorsGM]

90% of trades get nowhere.  of the remaining 10%, i'd say 90% of those get changed muiltiple times.  

It takes time.

I didn't understand that.

[KingsGM-old]

I think tanking is BS

Imagine this scenario: A gm doesn't feel like putting in the time to make good trades and instead decides to tank for 3 straight years. He puts the top drafted players on the IL and only comes to the board to check in and say "same" in the depth chart...

This is an extreme example, but where do you draw the line?

i assume you're talking about me, but you're very very wrong! this is the firs t time i've put top players on IL and i do the "same" depth chart every time cause i don't know better. i did some of my own strategy last year, at the beggining of the season and i've sucked big time so i decided to go with PC. that's not cause i'm lazy!

p.s. maybe you should all just mind your own bussines

[CavsGM]

I think tanking is BS

Imagine this scenario: A gm doesn't feel like putting in the time to make good trades and instead decides to tank for 3 straight years. He puts the top drafted players on the IL and only comes to the board to check in and say "same" in the depth chart...

This is an extreme example, but where do you draw the line?

i assume you're talking about me, but you're very very wrong! this is the firs t time i've put top players on IL and i do the "same" depth chart every time cause i don't know better. i did some of my own strategy last year, at the beggining of the season and i've sucked big time so i decided to go with PC. that's not cause i'm lazy!

p.s. maybe you should all just mind your own bussines

[RaptorsGM]

I think tanking is BS

Imagine this scenario: A gm doesn't feel like putting in the time to make good trades and instead decides to tank for 3 straight years. He puts the top drafted players on the IL and only comes to the board to check in and say "same" in the depth chart...

This is an extreme example, but where do you draw the line?

i assume you're talking about me, but you're very very wrong! this is the firs t time i've put top players on IL and i do the "same" depth chart every time cause i don't know better. i did some of my own strategy last year, at the beggining of the season and i've sucked big time so i decided to go with PC. that's not cause i'm lazy!

p.s. maybe you should all just mind your own bussines

You tanking is our business. We are in this league, and you are lowering it's integrity.

[KingsGM-old]

Or you could try to make a trade. How many have you made? 1?

man don't tell me about the trades, i've been shoping brad miller,webber and bibby all over the place. i've talked to some 10 or 15 GM and everybody turned my offer down. i even wanted to give miller for some kind of exp and 1 pick and it didn't work. it's not my fault nobody wants big sallary in return.

Kings, let me be frank with you. Your offers are very often one sided. Your sided. Other GM's don't want to make trades that hurt their team. That's the long and short of it.


And of course, it's been rehased a thousand times, but when someone offers you something and you just say "no thanks", it doesn't get a deal done.

1) look who's talking??
2) and what am i supposed to do if someone (maybe you) sends me every two days PM with the offer for tracy mcgrady?! even if i said him 100 times that he's not available

[JazzGM-old]

i think this is just one of the limitations of a sim...there may be loopholes you can use to your advantage. I understand tanking is part of the game...but this early? In real life you have to worry about ticket sales and the like, we don't have that check here.

[BullsGM-old]

Kings, I'm not telling how to run your team, thats obviously your job.  But maybe you should be more open to Tmac trades, superstars come and go just like that in the ssba, look at Marion he was almost traded twice in just as many days.  You could get solid pieces for Tmac, a little to late now though

[HornetsGM]

I think tanking is BS

Imagine this scenario: A gm doesn't feel like putting in the time to make good trades and instead decides to tank for 3 straight years. He puts the top drafted players on the IL and only comes to the board to check in and say "same" in the depth chart...

This is an extreme example, but where do you draw the line?

i assume you're talking about me, but you're very very wrong! this is the firs t time i've put top players on IL and i do the "same" depth chart every time cause i don't know better. i did some of my own strategy last year, at the beggining of the season and i've sucked big time so i decided to go with PC. that's not cause i'm lazy!

p.s. maybe you should all just mind your own bussines

I am talking about you and the sixers. I said that I gave an extreme example, but my point was where do you draw the line between "bad" tanking and "acceptable" tanking?

[SonicsGM]

I saw what the Kings did (Miller, McGrady and Bibby on the IR), but what did the Sixers do?

[KingsGM-old]

Kings, I'm not telling how to run your team, thats obviously your job.  But maybe you should be more open to Tmac trades, superstars come and go just like that in the ssba, look at Marion he was almost traded twice in just as many days.  You could get solid pieces for Tmac, a little to late now though

you see? that's the problem. everyone wants to talk only about tracy mcgrady! every offer i made or recive it begins and ends with mcgrady. he's my franchise player and i just don't want to trade him, i don't see why is that such a big problem? why don't you go ask NetsGM about okafor? or heatGM about shaq, or ming, or whoever! i was open for all kind of trades, i was willing to give bibby and miller, and i didn't ask for something extra. all of my offers were pretty fairly. didn't i offered you bibby/miller for mercer and barry? ask NetsGM what was my offer. miller for dalembert was the first one, than miller for expirings and picks.i don't know if all of you disagree on that but that's all pretty fair deals to me.
i'm sick of this, i really am. it seems like i'm the only one who's the problem here and the main cause of all the problems...if you guys want, i have no problem to quit...i really don't

[BullsGM-old]

Kings, I'm not telling how to run your team, thats obviously your job.  But maybe you should be more open to Tmac trades, superstars come and go just like that in the ssba, look at Marion he was almost traded twice in just as many days.  You could get solid pieces for Tmac, a little to late now though

you see? that's the problem. everyone wants to talk only about tracy mcgrady! every offer i made or recive it begins and ends with mcgrady. he's my franchise player and i just don't want to trade him, i don't see why is that such a big problem? why don't you go ask NetsGM about okafor? or heatGM about shaq, or ming, or whoever! i was open for all kind of trades, i was willing to give bibby and miller, and i didn't ask for something extra. all of my offers were pretty fairly. didn't i offered you bibby/miller for mercer and barry? ask NetsGM what was my offer. miller for dalembert was the first one, than miller for expirings and picks.i don't know if all of you disagree on that but that's all pretty fair deals to me.
i'm sick of this, i really am. it seems like i'm the only one who's the problem here and the main cause of all the problems...if you guys want, i have no problem to quit...i really don't

First off, all the teams you mentioned are GOOD, your team has some problems.  Usually teams that don't make the playoffs need CHANGES.

And you offer was Miller/Bibby for just Mercer/Barry, I also had to throw in 7 mill in expiring

[KingsGM-old]

Kings, I'm not telling how to run your team, thats obviously your job.  But maybe you should be more open to Tmac trades, superstars come and go just like that in the ssba, look at Marion he was almost traded twice in just as many days.  You could get solid pieces for Tmac, a little to late now though

you see? that's the problem. everyone wants to talk only about tracy mcgrady! every offer i made or recive it begins and ends with mcgrady. he's my franchise player and i just don't want to trade him, i don't see why is that such a big problem? why don't you go ask NetsGM about okafor? or heatGM about shaq, or ming, or whoever! i was open for all kind of trades, i was willing to give bibby and miller, and i didn't ask for something extra. all of my offers were pretty fairly. didn't i offered you bibby/miller for mercer and barry? ask NetsGM what was my offer. miller for dalembert was the first one, than miller for expirings and picks.i don't know if all of you disagree on that but that's all pretty fair deals to me.
i'm sick of this, i really am. it seems like i'm the only one who's the problem here and the main cause of all the problems...if you guys want, i have no problem to quit...i really don't

First off, all the teams you mentioned are GOOD, your team has some problems.  Usually teams that don't make the playoffs need CHANGES.

And you offer was Miller/Bibby for just Mercer/Barry, I also had to throw in 7 mill in expiring

oh sorry...i guess it was a bad offer then

[RaptorsGM]

I saw what the Kings did (Miller, McGrady and Bibby on the IR), but what did the Sixers do?

Take a look at some of the last few DC's. Iverson, Duncan on the IL.

YOGI STEWART at the point.

[BullsGM-old]

Kings, I'm not telling how to run your team, thats obviously your job.  But maybe you should be more open to Tmac trades, superstars come and go just like that in the ssba, look at Marion he was almost traded twice in just as many days.  You could get solid pieces for Tmac, a little to late now though

you see? that's the problem. everyone wants to talk only about tracy mcgrady! every offer i made or recive it begins and ends with mcgrady. he's my franchise player and i just don't want to trade him, i don't see why is that such a big problem? why don't you go ask NetsGM about okafor? or heatGM about shaq, or ming, or whoever! i was open for all kind of trades, i was willing to give bibby and miller, and i didn't ask for something extra. all of my offers were pretty fairly. didn't i offered you bibby/miller for mercer and barry? ask NetsGM what was my offer. miller for dalembert was the first one, than miller for expirings and picks.i don't know if all of you disagree on that but that's all pretty fair deals to me.
i'm sick of this, i really am. it seems like i'm the only one who's the problem here and the main cause of all the problems...if you guys want, i have no problem to quit...i really don't

First off, all the teams you mentioned are GOOD, your team has some problems.  Usually teams that don't make the playoffs need CHANGES.

And you offer was Miller/Bibby for just Mercer/Barry, I also had to throw in 7 mill in expiring

oh sorry...i guess it was a bad offer then

Mercer >> Bibby

Barry+7 mill expiring > Miller (for me since I have Griffin and Curry already)

[SonicsGM]

oh sorry...i guess it was a bad offer then

No, but when you propose a deal, you must make sure it works financially first.  Nobody can accept a deal that doesn't work under the rules (like your miller for gooden offer).  If it can't work, then it's nobody's fault but your own.  It's not my fault that a deal involving miller and gooden couldn't work, and it's not bulls fault that the other deal couldn't work.

Just saying it how it is.