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« on: April 18, 2005, 03:37:17 PM » |
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Pacers Trade:
Jamaal Tinsley
Jonathan Bender
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Antawn Jamison
Andre Iguodala
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« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2005, 08:50:57 PM » |
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I agree. Gets me a true PG and gets Jamison's contract off my books.
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« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2005, 08:55:10 PM » |
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FANTASTIC trade for the Bucks, IMO.
Jamison has a HUGE contract, and there are about 50 players with equal ratings to him.
Iggy is nice, but I'm not sold on him.
Bender is almost as good as Jamison, but Tinsley really takes the cake.
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« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2005, 09:59:28 PM » |
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Tinsley is a point guard, there is no doubt... And a good one. Alot of teams wanted to sign him last year in free agency...
Jamison is not playing well at all...
Iggy is a mystery... Who knows what his SG/SF skills are right now? But, as a point guard, Tinsley is better...
Great trade for the Bucks....
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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2005, 06:33:37 AM » |
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hmm it is very interesting to see how ratings can influence people.
bender did nothing for me and his contract wasn´t pretty either.
jamison gives me hopefully a player who will come from the bench and give me a scoring option (maybe he will avg something like 7 and 5)especially if o´neal or artest are in foul trouble.
Iggy isn´t a PG true but i think he will improve this summer and will be my backup at SG.I think he can play all three positions, if he improves. so i get depth for a good point whom i will replace through a trade, draft or FA.
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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2005, 08:45:59 AM » |
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The draft is again full of PG's, so you can easily get one there.
Curious to see how Iggy improves as a SG (because I think he will)
But I guess Iggy has to play the point this year...
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2005, 10:12:59 AM » |
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Just to go off what Pacers said, I do think sometimes ratings are valued too highly. Ratings are inprecise. They're all you have to go off of on rookies and people who never get significant player time, but for others I think you need to go off of a combination of ratings and stats.
Why? Because the ratings displayed aren't all the game takes into account. It only displays Outside shooting, but the game has ratings for both 3 pt shot and regular jumpshots. It only displays ballhandling, but the game breaks it down even further to ballhandling (preventing turnovers) and playmaking (creating opportunities). It only says rebounding, but the game has both offensive and defensive. It only says defense, but the game has post defense, perimeter defense, drive defense and shotblocking.
So, for example. I looked at Antonio Daniels in the offseason. Saw a great assist/turnover ratio, one of the best in the league. That means, since he only had a B+ overall ballhandling, he probably was only mediocre in creating for others. But I determined that that didn't matter all that much to me, since I had Okafor and Pettit initiating the offense.
Stats need to be taken along with ratings, not only one or the other. That's part of what makes the draft such a crapshoot, you don't know all that detailed of information (along with the whole potential thing). You don't have any stats to go along with the ratings and pin down exactly what they can and can't do.
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2005, 10:37:22 AM » |
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very good post. couldn´t say it any better.
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