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« on: March 21, 2005, 08:45:03 PM »

Looking at my roster today, I realized how eerily similar my team this year is with my Nuggets Team.

Both have great rebounders and defenders at C, 2 way players at pf, great ballhandling pg's, scorers at the 2.  

I guess it's just the way I like to build a team.

Position by Position.
C:
Pavel Podkolzine (B- inside, A- defense, A- rebounding, B potential)
vs.
Samuel Dalembert (C+ outside, A defense, B rebounding, D potential)
Winner - Samuel Dalembert.  Pavel has a better inside rating, but he scored less (usually around 13 ppg) at a lower % (42-43%), which tells me he probably wasn't as good of an offensive rebounder and finisher.  Pavel had a bit better rebounding, but I'll take sammy's defense and more efficient offensive game.

PF:
Stromile Swift (B+ inside, A- defense, B- rebounding, D potential)
vs.
Emeka Okafor (A- inside, A defense, B+ rebounding, A potential).
Winner - Emeka Okafor, bigtime.  I LOVED Stro, and he was signed to a great deal.  But he's not near the scorer or rebounder emeka is, and emeka still has A potential.  Emeka is a superstar, Stro was a a great roleplayer.

SF:
Marion (B inside, A- outside, A+ defense)
vs.
erm....undecided.
Winner: Duh.  This is my one huge weakness at this point.  Lamond Murray?  Please.  Obviously no comparison to a near 30 ppg scorer with top of the line defense.

SG:
Pietrus (B inside, B outside, C handles, B defense, B potential)
vs.
Pettit (B inside, B+ outside, C+ handles, B defense, A potential).
Winner - Pettit, bigtime.  Pettit's already the better scorer with better handles, and still has an A potential.  Pettit should average 20 ppg, Pietrus was never able to be a consistent 2nd scorer.  Pettit's d should improve, Pietrus probably never would.  And Pietrus was in the final year of his contract with high greed, Pettit has 4 years left and almost no greed.

PG:
Telfair (C inside, B outside, A ballhandling, B+ defense, B potential)
vs.
Daniels (C inside, B outside, B+ ballhandling, B defense, C potential)
Winner - Telfair.  I loved Telfair.  I see Daniels as a mini-me version of Telfair.

Telfair was a solid scorer (consistent 12-13 ppg) with good defense (more steals than turnovers), and still had room to improve.  But what made him special, and in my mind one of the top 2-3 pg's in the league with Brown and Nash, was his ballhandling.  Easily the best in the league (for those who forgot my study on ballhandlers, http://ssba.proboards30.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1103121938 ).  This was a guy who was running at nearly 8 assists per turnover at the end of the 2nd season.  a guy who would average nearly 30 minutes inbetween turnovers.  It was truely surreal.  I see Daniels as a guy who could give me 11-12 ppg, not be a liability on D, and about a 4.5-5 assist to turnover ratio, about the ratio he had last year.  Not Telfair by any stretch of the imagination, but good.

Anyone see a resemblance in their teams?
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« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2005, 08:52:02 PM »

I wish I could look back at my Celts club, but I think that one was better.

Billy Joe, Kwame Brown, Tyler Smith, Michael Redd, Josh Podoloff was a team set for some serious championship runs.  I also had off the bench:  Erick Watts, Carlos Arroyo, Darius Miles and a slew of youngsters with decent ratings and potentials.

Now....I have three players!  Not much of a comparison.  Although I did make it to the finals this year.
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« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2005, 09:28:22 PM »

Lol, I can't fully remember what my roster was there at the very end, I may have made some trades. I'm not sure if I still had Odom or not, I know I had AK and Shannon. I think I had Magloire at center.
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« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2005, 09:31:29 PM »

I wish I had the old ratings.

I know my team is

C:
Lorenzen Wright (old)

vs.

Chris Mihm (new)

Winner: Mihm. He's cheaper, I had just signed Wright to a 5 year, 80 million deal. And Mihm is a better rebounder than Wright ever was. Neither needs to score much on their respective teams.

PF:
Emeka Okafor (old)

vs.

Carlos Boozer (new)

Winner: Okafor. Easily. He put up 30ppg, 12 reb and 4 blocks per game in his second year. I remember I had to trade Vince to get the first overall pick to use on Emeka. It was well worth it.

SF:
Darko Milicic (old)

vs.

Michael Finley (New)

Winner: Finley. Darko was putting up about 17 and 8, but he was out of position, and I don't think he was able to stop the quicker SF's of the league. Finley has player exceptionaly well for me, and his ability to defend and shoot the ball are key for me.

SG:
Joe Johnson (old)

vs.

Vince Carter (new)

Winner: Vince. Not even close. SG was the one position I was constantly trying to upgrade. I was always looking for a great defender at SG, because I was going inside with my three options being emeka-darko-wright. I thought I had my man in Corey Maggette, but he had a terrible training camp once and went from a A- defender to a B- defender. I wasn't impressed. Vince is the leader of this new team.

PG:
Jason Kidd (old)

vs.

Sam Cassell (new)

Winner: Kidd. Kidd was great in the one season he player with me. In fact, I think he could have led me to a Championship, but I got beat by the cheating Sixers in the ECF. Cassell will be great for this new team, and I expect him to lead the league in apg.

Overall, I think these two teams are fairly similar. In both teams I built around players that can score inside, and went with a veteran point guard to lead the way. I didn't think it was possible, but i think this new team is better than the team of old. It's pretty great what I've been able to do with the Raptors in just one season. Smile
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« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2005, 09:34:43 PM »

Man, scanning those old boards are great...i had forgot about them..
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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2005, 09:39:16 PM »

Quote from: RaptorsGM
Man, scanning those old boards are great...i had forgot about them..


There's nothing there but completed trades and draft picks.
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« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2005, 09:43:06 PM »

True. Hey, Sonics, I found an interesting quote you had when you were still the Celtics!!

Quote from: With the 1st Pick in the Draft...
The Toronto Raptors select Emeka Okafor


Quote from: Current SonicsGm, then CelticsGM
I, personally, think that Okafor is the second, possibly the third, best overall in this draft.


Okafor was ROTY, and an all-star his first year.

The second year he was snubbed for MVP because Stevie Nash had crazy ass numbers.

But Emeka was 30.3ppg, 11.9rpg, 4.2bpg if memory serves correct. No one else from that draft class was even close.
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2005, 09:45:01 PM »

Yeah, I was wrong, and I admitted that quite a few times.  

At the time, I was all over Kersey and Podkolzine.  I don't think they ever did anything though.

I, with the 6th pick i think, got Podoloff who did very well for me.

But yes, I was way off with Okafor.  Call it a rookie mistake!
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« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2005, 09:46:13 PM »

Lol, I was jsut reading througha ll the old PM's. ahhh...nostaglia.
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« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2005, 11:00:18 PM »

(OLD) v. (NEW)

C: Ben Wallace v. Jamal Magloire
--> push

PF: Amare Stoudemire v. Chris Andersen
--> Amare

SF: Glenn Robinson v. Josh Childress
--> Big Dog (he was great in that sim. 20ppg with A- defense)

SG: Jason Richardson v. ?
--> J-Rich

PG: Jamal Crawford v. Baron Davis
--> I'll give the slight edge to Baron

Champions v. Second Round Losers
--> Rolling Eyes


My bench was pretty nasty in the old sim too.
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2005, 08:02:29 AM »

SSBA version 1.0

- The team has great depth.
- My team was made out of up and comming youngsters with good potentials.(Sani-Wade-Hinrich-Cassell)
- My team was more balance

My roster back then (as i remember Very Happy )

Mihm
J-neal
Cassell
Wade
Hinrich
T-sanity

SSBA version 2.0

- Got 2 superstars on my team
- Got a group of player who made up a good supporting cast
- Is more of a "win-now" type of team
- A more defense oriented type of team

Skinner
Tim Duncan
Malik Rose
AI
Mike James
Markblount
Ricky Davis

What do i like better?
I prefer my team during the SSBA version 1.00.

It is a team that can be on its way unto a dynasty.

Its a "maintenance free team" with its core players in their 20's, you dont need to do any transactions since the players will most likely improve during the training camps.

Plus, its a team that has no bad contracts.
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2005, 02:20:20 PM »

my old ssba Magic lineup

Keon Clark

Kevin Garnett

Richard Jefferson

Corey Maggette

Tony Gulick

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Jason Collier

Amare Stoudemire

Wally Sczerbiak

Kobe Bryant

Chauncy Billups

The edge with the centers goes to Keon Clark, he was bigger and more active on the defensive end.

The PF battle goes to KG nuff said

SF Jefferson easily over Wally, i think wally will be an upgrade over what i had at sf last season, but jefferson was pretty good in our old league(17 pts and 8 reb) thats not bad

SG-Maggs, had a breakout season with me in that last season (22ppg 6 reb 4 ast) but even with that, he's not as good as Kobe who is one of the potential scoring leaders every year.

PG- Tony Gulick was one of my 2 first round picks that season, and he became my starter when i traded AWill. he went on to average 8 pts and 7ast and 1.4 TO/per game after he got the starting nod, and he was named all rookie first team. Billups, isent a great pg, but he'll provide average scoring, and distribute the ball to Amare and Kobe. but he's the vet so i have to give the edge to Billups
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