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« Reply #45 on: July 29, 2005, 06:49:54 PM »

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Wow, I hope neither of you guys ever win a championship, we'd never hear the end of it  Laughing


Actually, I think the bragging would probably just be between us, not to the rest of yous.


we'd stll have to read it  Smile
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« Reply #46 on: July 29, 2005, 07:07:33 PM »

True that Smile

I don't see either of us winning a championship this year though...the top teams never seem to win...but we'll see Smile
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« Reply #47 on: July 29, 2005, 08:21:10 PM »

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But not as much as I am - and you have the better defense team on paper. I run a normal pace, you run a fast one.


I disagree.  The only # you can be looking at to believe that i'm lesser defensively is opp ppg.  And that's erroneous.  #1 in blocked shots, #1 in rebounding, #2 in opp fg%.  It's still domination.  The ppg is just window dressing that's influenced by pace.   But the pace runs 2 ways, so it's still domination.


Uhhh....I'm almost certain that games are not decided by blocked shots or rebounding.

IT'S ABOUT POINTS.


Wow, you're a genius.

Actually, more like increadibly slow.

Obviously, the goal of the game is to score more than your opponent.  The strategy comes in on how you get there.

By me saying opp ppg is thus window dressing, it's because it is.  Yes, faster pace makes your opponents ppg increase.  But if your ppg increases by more than your opponents ppg increases, then it's working.  So an increase in opponents ppg is not necessarily bad, and not necessarily the best mark of how successful your defense is.
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« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2005, 10:14:04 PM »

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But not as much as I am - and you have the better defense team on paper. I run a normal pace, you run a fast one.


I disagree.  The only # you can be looking at to believe that i'm lesser defensively is opp ppg.  And that's erroneous.  #1 in blocked shots, #1 in rebounding, #2 in opp fg%.  It's still domination.  The ppg is just window dressing that's influenced by pace.   But the pace runs 2 ways, so it's still domination.


Uhhh....I'm almost certain that games are not decided by blocked shots or rebounding.

IT'S ABOUT POINTS.


Wow, you're a genius.

Actually, more like increadibly slow.

Obviously, the goal of the game is to score more than your opponent.  The strategy comes in on how you get there.

By me saying opp ppg is thus window dressing, it's because it is.  Yes, faster pace makes your opponents ppg increase.  But if your ppg increases by more than your opponents ppg increases, then it's working.  So an increase in opponents ppg is not necessarily bad, and not necessarily the best mark of how successful your defense is.



So, by your logic, the fact that I outscore opponents by 11 points per game compared to your 5.9 ppg, that also makes my defense far superior.

Basically, you can pull whatever numbers you want out of your ass, but I'm telling you, your defense is far from dominant. Yes, you lead the League in rebounds per game with 55.9. But you GIVE UP 52.1!! I average 53.1 but only give up 47.8. Therefore, I have the edge on rebounds.

Opponents make 2.5 more field goals per game against you than they do against me.

I'd say your defense is far less dominant than mine. Bringing me back to my original point of the fact that your defense SHOULD be better, but it isn't. And I think it's because you kill it with your fast pace.
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« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2005, 10:20:40 PM »

No, my defense IS dominant.  However, so is yours.

I'm "only" a +4 rebounding because of the 1 sim without Emeka.  Outside of that sim, I'm a +6.  I'm a dominant rebounding team.

And I'm dominant defensively.  Opponents score at an inefficient clip (2nd in the league in fg%), don't get 2nd chance opportunities, and I lead the league in blocks per game.  I'm first in the league in Steals+Blocks per game.

Opp PPG is probably the most overrated defensive stat.  Points per possession is much more telling.  Which I am once again in the top 3 in the league.
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« Reply #50 on: July 29, 2005, 10:25:33 PM »

You know what, you are right. Your defense is dominant, but not as dominant as mine. AND IT SHOULD BE BETTER !!!! That's the only point I'm making.
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« Reply #51 on: July 29, 2005, 10:41:00 PM »

With Battier missing pretty much all season?  With his backup, Salmons missing significant time?  With Okafor missing significant time?

I'm pretty happy to be a top 3 defensive team.  This sim I won by an average of 20 ppg, and opponents shot 38% against me, 32% from downtown.  This is also the first sim I've had my starting lineup intact.  I'm quite happy.
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« Reply #52 on: July 29, 2005, 10:50:07 PM »

Can't we all just get along?
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« Reply #53 on: July 29, 2005, 11:19:42 PM »

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We are getting along, this is just a friendly debate.

And Nets - your right, I missed all of that injury stuff when I was on vacation - so I forgot about it.
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