SSBA

Looks like another Tanner.

Just a quick glance:
A draft very heavy on guards again (8 of top 14 are PGs). No clear cut top pick but a wide range of good prospects.

among these:
My #1: PG Roberto Brennan              C- B+ A- B C- D

#1 SG: Morgan Doleac             A- B C B- D+ C
#1 SF: Xavier Del Negro           C+ B+ C B C D
#1 PF: Dustin Kieta               B+ C D+ B- C+ B
#1 Beanpole: 7'6 Justin Bryant           B- C- D- B+ C+ A

But at least 1 dozen more guys wit one or the other speciality available, so we'll get a deep draft.

lots of good Cs

After seeing this, I'm really liking that Spurs pick.

Really liking this center crop.   Have not had too any good centers come out lately, but this past draft was decent, and the upcoming one is pretty nice, imo.

I wonder if there is a clear cut top5 ?

Brennan looks nice, but thse ratings DO NOT make him a top PG in this league, and that potential, if true, does not give him the ability to improve.

Doleac has some fantastic scoring, but again no potential. I love to draft on otential.

I guess Bryant is a number 1 pick?

#1 is not clear cut, imo. Depends upon the GM.
Doleac and Bryant are the most likely number ones.

Croshere is also a possibility, imo as well.  Kieta is a nice player, but not a number 1.
And Justin Bryant is a great possibilty as well, as long as you do not mind the terrible ball handling.

An Porter is likely an immediate 25 ppg player, with those scoring skills and that size.  Same offensive abiities as Yao right now.

barely looked at the draft, but if I had to guess right now it would be croshere, bryant or bryant.

Maybe Brennan will fall to wherever the Spurs pick will be - I wouldn't mind replacing Baron.

I think I would really consider Doleac with the first pick. A- B offense is pretty sick.

Well, Gatling has been pretty good, and that is close to what his stats are...

Yeah, but he'd have to be protected with an excellent defender at PG...Hey! Like Baron Davis! ;)

I like Porter, especially with that potential. He's big too.

And I'd consider Kieta high too.

Person is pretty nice too.

Del Negro could probably put up big numbers.

Way less A potential guys then usual.

True... but his may be the deepest draft yet.  There are some very good players to be had in ther 15-25 range, imo.

hopefully there will be someone there for me at 29  :lol:

Since I'll actually have my pick this year.

I agree. I'm really liking my future. Imagine, I still have Deng under contract, Yao under contract. Springs, Lovey, Alston too.

Draft a stud with a top pick, and get another very good role player wth a pick around 15-20. Factor about 4.5 mil between those 2 picks. Leaves me with 9.5 mil in cap space, looking at siging probably 2 yon studs with ptential, then still resign Baron/Diddle/Finley.

If I go balls to the wall, I could be a Championship team next year.

Your kidding.  There will be so many teams with cap space next year, the likelihood of signing 2 "young studs" with only 9.5 million is quite low.  Plus free agency is not filled with young players, but older players this year.

BTW, this last draft is looking mighty good right now. 2 players who can really lead a team immediately (Keogan, Wells), some players that are nice as 2nd and 3rd options right now (Manning, Houbreg), and a couple players with some real skills and potential (Marion, and the steal of the draft, the Wizard's Paul Maggette)

A couple more sims will tell, but this past class is looking very good.

Well, I disagree with Manning looking good.  He's basically SAR.  I don't think I'd even start him with a C+ defense and C+ rebounding.  As a #2 pick, a tremendous disappointment.

But if a #2 pick goes bad and a Marion or Maggette becomes very good, I'm more than willing to make that tradeoff.

Offensively, Manning looks great.  I think his percentages will likely start going up next sim.  Your right about being a disappointing 2nd pick, so far, but that was the risk.
Great offense, bad defense, and C potential.  What you see is most likely what you get.
But Maggette looks real nice right now.  With his after TC abilities, he would have been a top 5 pick, imo.

Honestly, i dont see anyone as a #1 pick material. The draft is filled with guys with good ratings but low potential or mediocre ratings but good potenial. The draft lacks the ala garet petit or vince keogan material. Its filled with mediocre talents, and thats it. I hope people wont overrate it.

Shit, I'm not...  Manning better turn out to be something...  I do get some comfort in seeing that Ferry declined again(just as i predicted)...  Sorry Bucks...  And Tinsley has been nothing short of amazing 18.4 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 7.0 apg, 1.6 spg and 1.8 TOpg(all as a non-scoring option)...

Who from my roster should I start at PF???  exactly, I have no other choice...

I have fast break college basketball, if you guys/commish agree we can use the college players as draft prospects.  I don't know how their college ratings will translate into pro.  But I think it will have better players since college players declear ealry, along with some HS star.  Also you can see their college/HS numbers on how well they perform so the draft will not be as much of a crapshot.

that's something to think about.  I believe I tried the trial version of FBCB.  But ultimately, I don't think it impacts this league tremendously.  I actually like it being a bit of a crapshoot.

And Pistons, of course YOU care if Manning disappoints, I'm just talking about from a league health standpoint.

I disagree, I think Dean Drew is the steal of the draft (homer bias).  Granted it could still be a fluke and he could come down to earth very fast over the next few sims, but his numbers were pretty damn surprising.

Everyone is goning to be after KG and the lke.

I'm talking Griffin, Tanner, Johson, Chandler, Del Negro, Terp, Scahder, Jackson, Mihm, Lavar, Benoit, etc.

Aaron Booth SG 8 26.8mpg 13.0ppg 5.0rpg 0.5apg 1.4spg 0.1bpg 1.1 topg .506fg% .667ft% .571-3pt% ...  My homer pick for steal of the draft...  I think it would only be right to have both the Bust and Steal of the draft...   :lol:

I like that idea. How many guys from this league are in that league? It would be cool to synthesize the two leagues if there is a lot of crossover.
Having it be less of a crapshoot would also help the bottom dwelling teams rebuild a little easier.

Would that be something... If we could integrate the college fastbreak program into the SSBA and have each GM have their own college team to run...  Just find another co-commish that would be willing to do the simming and take care of all that other isht...  That would be awesome if we could do something like that...

I've been in a league were is College sim was integrated.  It's a great idea, adds more depth to the sim

i like the idea of taking players from the college basketball program.  It would probably give us a larger variety of names and allow us to see some stats from college which would let us know the players strengths and weaknesses better.

And what's the workload on my end like?  lol.

It's pretty much impossible to run the college basketball sim cuz you have do the recruiting which takes LONG time.

True, lol

Mavs, in the league I was in, we didn't actually control our team.  The whole College league was auto-simmed, we didn't control individual teams.  But we were allowed to view the complete stats of the games/players etc etc

So Bods wouldn't have to enter any Depth Charts for the College teams or anything

and importing the draft file is easy?

I dunno, you tell me  :)

I'm not presuring you to go ahead with it, no where did I say we should go and integrate this College sim right away.  I just thought I'd give my opinion on how it or not it woulf work well because I've been in a league where a College sim was integrated.

Is there anyone else with the ssba file that could help???  I would voluteer, but I don't have the full version of fastbreak...

That would be no fun, the fun part about college sim is the recruiting part.  I think their DC is same as FBB.

if the same guy created it I'm sure he used simlar methods that would make it real easy to import a draft class

I don't think it will be hard, because you pretty know the players that going to declear early and add that with seniors.  I think there's a draft file for college sim and all you do you import it to FBB.  I will have to check my college sim out.

well, we're not going to be actually running a completely new league.  Unless another GM volunteers to be commish.  

Let me take a look at the FBCB trial.  Problem is, I don't think heavyreign is even active anymore, so I don't think I could purchase it.

Yup, that's what I was thinking too.

So just to be clear, noboyd here actually owns a copy of FBCB, right?

I have it.

Why do people say the drafts have been a crapshoot?
I think everyone just needs to adjust their ranking systems  :P

2006 draft
Biggest dissapointment so far has been Tanner, and while not a first pick kind of guy, he is still a pretty good player.
Kundla, however, is the big steal from that draft.  Looking how those players developed, that draft is not that great.  
Benoit and Chamberlain were also excellent values.
Alot of decent to good players, only Pettit and Mercer have become potential All-Stars.

2007 draft
English is a star, Bailey Snow may be a little disappointing, Hoiberg seems to be a bust (but in my adjusted ranking system, he is 8th anyway)
Oscar Jeanette is the big steal of this draft.  Very, very bad draft.

2008 draft
This draft is looking pretty good so far. Schabinger, Gatling, Russell, Strong, and Finley are all looking like good players.  Gatling may be a franchise player.  Russell still has some growth, and he could be a really nice player as well.
Rocky Elliot, Dawson Wooden, and Darius Perry might all be later pick steal.

2009 draft
mentioned before.

I have adjusted my draft ranking system quite a few times.  it has helped quite a bit.

If someone gave me he key for it, I would run the college league.

I found this on FBB board.

Mavs, how many keys do you have?

2.42 (the current version) can import rookies as well.

You can install it on two pc.

Like I said, I'm willing to do it.

If Mavs wants to do it, I'll give him space to upload the html files to.

Run the college sim?  If I just let the computer sim it, I'm fine with it.

yeah, let the computer run everything, just upload updated pages in correspondence with where we are (starting in october at sim 1, etc), then uploading them on sim days.

So do I run 10 days sim same as FBB?

I don't know, I've never used FBCB before today.

But it seems that it goes by actual days.  So we have to correlate it into how may days there are in FBCB, then make that equal to 120 days.

Let me take a look a bit.

Dang, to output everything it will take over 100 megs, lol.

Yea, there's over 300 teams in college basketball.

looking at it, I don't think we'd need to output the coach pages and boxscores if we're just recruiting players for a draft, don't you think?

are they fictional or real colleges?  Either way it would still be a cool addition to the SSBA

Real colleges.

I'm uploading sample output now.

Yea, coach pages and boxscores we don't need to output.

I mean, I guess boxscores COULD be useful, but considering all the other information they give you, we have more than enough.  And that's a LOT of extra space to be uploading for you.

Do you have a decent internet connection?   :lol:

I'm using 56K at home, how long will it takes to upload?

How's the sample output look?

Ok, so it starts November 8th and ends March 31st

So 5 months total.

I would say do something like:
After Sim 1: Run November
Sim 4: December
Sim 7: January
Sim 10: February
Sim 12: March

Do you know how to output the draft file to give to me?

Oh god, nevermind, you can't do it.  Scratch that idea, for now at least.

If this is all feasible, I personally think it's a great idea.  Having more information available is always a good thing.

lol

I can just send you the draft file to import on FBB.

If we can't work this out with Mavs, would it be possible to just partner with an FBCB league and have them give us a roster file?

it would just be difficult to find one going at EXACTLY the same pace we're going out.

I'm going to try to contact heavyreign and see if he's still active and the game can be purchased.

Perhaps this shows my misunderstanding of how FBCB is run, but can't we just get a season-ending roster file with accumulated season stats for the potential draftees?  All we want are year-end stats to combine with the ratings system, right?  Would the roster file not include those stats?

But then people wouldn't be able to scout these players during the season.

Using FBCB would require quite a bit more scouting.  And, one of the fun parts of it would be following players as the season goes along.  a guy might look like a top 5 pick at the beginning of the season (like taft in real life), then falter down the stretch.

I see.  Thanks.

While I agree that the scouting angle would provide more entertainment value, all I would be looking for are player statistics that would amplify the simple category ratings that FBB provides.

The scouting would be nice, but in terms of providing more input to make the draft more accessible, year-end stats are all I'd be looking for.  Of course, that's just my opinion.

Mavs: see if you can't get the commish of your league to e-mail me.

dbodner@phillyarena.net

http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/

Alot more abilities are ranked for these players...
Are the basics the same?  Can these abilities be combined in order to match our system?

And here's the draft file that produced after simming the entire season:
http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/ssbadraft/draftplayers-pos.htm

First thing I notice is that a lot of the top players, even seniors, didn't make it to the draft file.  Interesting.  But I think everyone on that draft file can be looked up at the FBCB site.

Those are actually the exact same.  Just spelled out more.

I can also make it output into A-F format instead of 1-100.

Weird....  Not a single defender over a B...  and only 3 B defenders.

But Jon Bolt is a practically a basketball god...

The only difference is we don't have a potential for each attribute, like FBCB does.  We just have one overall potential.

But the file imported fine.  Except that a lot of the players don't import (which makes sense, since with 300 teams, we'd have 1000 seniors alone.  I guess it makes sense that it doesn't import all the best seniors, because then the drafts would be too strong.  But it would be annoying tracking a 25 ppg scorer all year then he isn't in the draft).

And he's only a 16 ppg, 5 apg, 67% ft shooting senior.  1.19 pps isn't that great in college either.

Meanwhile the best player on #1 ranked duke isn't in the draft...

How did you find out John Bolt's team to look up his stats?  I clicked on his name and it took me to some UMBC player.

those links won't work, I just uploaded it as a demo.

Right, so how did you find out that he only averaged 16 PPG?

Because I saw that before.  I have the entire output on my laptop :)

Hold on, let me upload a new copy of the FBB outputted draft file.

Only one player under 22 is worth a first round pick...

Less than ten underclassmen declared.

Justin Jacobs the nation's #1 recruit's ratings SF 6'7'' 229 18 C C- D+ D+ D B.

Wonder's what TC will do to some of those players.

Here, use this FBB draft file:
http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/ssbadraft/draft/draftplayers-pos.htm

Aucoin avg 6.2 rebs in college and has A- in pro :shock: .

Look at Bolt's ratings in college:
http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player2961.htm

wonder why he's only scoring 17 ppg....

Only playing 23 mpg.

His college rankings (100 offensive, 100 defensive) indicate he's an incredible rebounder.

He's just terrible at every other facet of the game.

What's his ratings after TC?

no idea.

I'd have to sim an entire fake season in order to find out.

Bolt would instantly be an SSBA king.  He already ranks in the top 15 of all players.Although how you have an A potential on an already 100 jumpshot is boggling.

If you click on John Bolt's name in the draft file, it shows he played 28 MPG and dropped in 17+ PPG.  

I'd be okay with just getting this type of information.  The ancillary material from the FBCB is nice, but it's almost too much to digest.  For example, I have no idea how to take all those ratings in the different categories and judge them against each other.  And then, as you mentioned, eligible seniors that did really well end up not even being in the draft itself, so that'd be a bunch of wasted time spent on working with all those ratings.

I like the post defense vs. perimeter defense rankings though.

With a B outside that did NOT translate into an NBA jumpshot.

I would not want the specific numbers for each ability.  We do not have that info for our current players.  Plus, is that potential real, or perceived?

I really want to know the nation's #1 recruit Justin Jacobs's ratings after couple of season.  He has bad ratings to start off, very common for HS kid, the B pot probably an A.

Well, if you look at most of those top scorers (I just recently did this) and look at the teams they're playing for, they played on poor (mainly non-top 50) college teams.

That makes sense they wouldn't be in the draft.   Willie Green was a top 10 in the nation scorer his senior year at Detroit-Mercy, and he was considered a stretch where we took him in the 2nd round.

like, for example, Vernon Chavez (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player4697.htm) scored 22.5 ppg at Arkansas-Little Rock.  Small School [ranked 230], and he was able to do so with crap college ratings.

See, I was looking at guys like Roderick Perry (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player3425.htm) (from GTech), Jamison Slater (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player1925.htm) (OU), and Carroll Redmon (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player318.htm) (Wake).  All big schools from good conferences, all seniors, and none are in the draft.

And my man Ottokar Schimdbauer (http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/draft/players/player1096.htm) from St. John's (rpi rank: 22), with a 100 pass rating.

I'm not in any college sim league.

Well, Perry looked like a sniper with minimal other offensive skill.  Look at his college rankings, and he's pretty poor across the board.  Slater, as well, is a strict jumpshooter.   Redman, another great jumpshooter that doesn't turn the ball over (but also doesn't create), but a terrible defender.  And Ottakor (great name) again has a D in both post defense (PSD) and perimeter defense (PRD).  Ouch.  Imagine that in the pro's.

Also, while all of these guys are from good conferences, like you pointed out, at this point in the season they had only played 1 conference game!

Seems one dimensional players who can succeed at the college level don't get drafted in this game.

Unfortunately it looks like we can only get ratings for each attribute, unlike when it's converted to FBB.  However, I will check the option that allows you to switch them to A-F ratings, not 1-100, if you guys want.

You do that before you start a new game.  You have the choice of A-F or 1-100.

Yes, I saw.

But it will still give us attributes like splitting our handles into ballhandling and passing, which will mean we'll know more about potential draftees than we do our current players!

However, I'd argue that if you pay attention at all, you can deduce that from gameplay.  Baron Davis obviously is a better passer than ballhandler (as he gets a lot of assists and also lots of turnovers).  The only people we currently don't know that about is draftees, so I have no problem with showing this information.  Especially since it's only shown as against college level competition.

Alright, let me see if I can't purchase this game.

Last thing: I wasn't arguing that they should be included in the draft, only that they had decent skills that would make you believe they'd be in the draft.  So you'd waste time watching them progress only to learn that they didn't end up in the draft.

I guess I just don't know how we'd monitor players during the season then, if the leaderboard isn't going to be that accurate.  Since we won't know who's going to be available to draft until the year's over, I'm not seeing why we'd need to break up the college season.

I guess what I'm suggesting is to just sim the whole year and then allow the player links in the draft file to be referenced in FBCB for draft research purposes.

How much is it?

I was thinking the same thing... But if there are people who want to follow the college players during the season, may as well let them...

But, my question would be, when do we get the draft files then?

If we do in-season updates, the draft files would be that site up until the end of the regular season, then it would be the draft file we're used to (except now it would have stats as well).

It gives people like the Hawks something to do after the 5th week :)

Personally, I get a bit bored having the 1 draft file up that never changes.

The program is $30.

Don't get me wrong, I think FBCB looks great, and I wouldn't be against signing up for a team were it ever to reach that point.  I'm also not trying to say that people shouldn't be able to follow the season as it progresses if they so choose.  

But if Nets can save $30 and just get a player file from somewhere, I guess I'm trying to say that that might be good enough, based on the limits for currently-existing players in FBB.  At least, it is IMO.  I'll just shut up now.

Alright guys, I purchased it.  That's now $60 I've spent on the league (besides cost of bandwidth).

I really shouldn't have, but it's something i'll have fun with myself as well.

Should we all cough up $5 for both programs and bandwidth?

and it validates the purchase right there, so it's activated.  I'll start up a league tonight :)

 :cheers:

This should be an awesome addition to this sim.

Well, here is a suggestion that most might like...
Why not import the files on a year delay.  That way, if someone to just look at the draft, it can be done exactly the way it is now.  But if you want to look 2 years into the future, you can use the draft files.

Gives the ability to look further then just one year in the draft,  and also makes it easy for the people who do not wish to go searching through all the college teams and find players....

I would never force people to pay for this, or even ask.  If people really want to contribute a dollar or two, they can paypal money.  pm me if you really want the e-mail address to paypal to.

I think probably so. It's not like this is a scam.

Do you take personal checks Bods?

But the big problem would be that the current draft class would be limited to those 5 category FBB ratings, while the draft 2 years out would have all those included.  

So, I guess it would benefit those who have the time to compile and record those extended ratings so that they have them when the 2 years are up and all that's left are the truncated 5 categories in FBB.

Well, otherwise you will no know who the draftees are until the college season is over.  And that could make some rebuilding projects harder to figure out.

Since I don't have paypal, and have no intentions of getting it, I'd need an alternate method.  But I really think, based on all the time and effort (and money) you put into this, that the least we could do was to throw you a couple bucks each.  Hell, even $2 from everybody covers the purchase of both games.

Umm, I've been pretty lost on this whole topic. Could someone explain what additions are being introduced to the league?

I don't see what the big problem is...

If you don't want to look at the in-depth college ratings, don't.  The normal draft file will go up after the end of the regular season (maybe I'll even make it sim 10).  That way you have time to look at it before the draft without even touching the college site.  And really, what does it take, 10 minutes to look at the current draft files.  If I put it up at week 10, I don't see what the big deal is.  Except maybe trade deadline, in which case I could bump the schedule up to week 6 or 8, if need be.

So will the draft file have links to the college ratings in detail or just their stats (basically the FBB player page)?

In other words how much of their college info will be available?

But doesn't that happen in the NBA?

Since I don't want to blow up the current draft class, I will go on the recommendation to put this as NEXT years draft class.

I'm not sure I like this though, having 2 draft files up and going at the same time.

Ok, I just tested this.  It produces some nice range of drafts.  From crap, to great, to average.

Bods, you give me your address, I'll snd you 5 bucks just like that.


BTW, none of the draft links work for me.

Lol...  Not really.  Most of these draftees have been scouted since they were in high school.
The only real mystery of who is entering the draft and who is not seem to be the European players.

But hey, any way it gets run is cool with me.  

I am going to have to make some new spreadsheets... Woohoo!!!!   :P

There is a LOT of question marks of which underclassmen will pull out of the draft.

Spurs: for the next draft preview (not this one), the player pages will include stats and the college they went to.  Then, if you want to view a more detailed breakdown, you can go to the college page, select the team, and find out about that player.

Uploading the november FBCB results now (which would be for the 2011 draft).  See a very good prospect at the University of Kentucky.  Already a handful of high school kids who have declared for the draft.

I got 2 1st rounders. Anybody interested needs to PM me.