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Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: GoldenStateGM on April 11, 2005, 11:18:03 AM Now this was a topic brought up in a tarde thread.
The real NBA has a 60 days trade rule, as does this league. The real NBA lasts for 365 (or 366) every year. This sim realistically only has 120 days in the calendar. The way it is currently set up, only the sim days exist as regular days. Would it be possible to allow the draft, free agency, and TC to actually take up time, when it comes to the 60 day rule? This would help eliminate the need to go around the rule, and make it more like the NBA. Just a point for some discussion... Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: HornetsGM on April 11, 2005, 11:20:21 AM Those do take up time and are counted towards the 60 days.
Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: GoldenStateGM on April 11, 2005, 11:24:23 AM Quote from: HornetsGM Those do take up time and are counted towards the 60 days. Really? I did not know that. Could anyone who knows the times those are worth post them? That would mean I have players that I can trade that I thought I could not... Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: CavsGM on April 11, 2005, 11:30:55 AM There is the transactions page.
Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: GoldenStateGM on April 11, 2005, 11:40:43 AM Quote from: CavsGM There is the transactions page. According to the transactions page, the draft, free agency, and TC all take place within 15 days... And that is where it is awkward.... A 60 days rule in a 185 day year is what the sim has. A 60 days rule in a 365 day year is what the NBA has. Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: CavsGM on April 11, 2005, 11:48:30 AM Yeah, you make a good point. It's not even.
Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: GoldenStateGM on April 11, 2005, 12:59:09 PM I believe in the 60 day rule, especially during the season. But if TC, FA, and the draft could count for more time, I think that might be good.
Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: SpursGM-old on April 11, 2005, 01:38:50 PM Even in the regualr season 60 days is a long time. That is equal to six sims or half the season. In the NBA you don't have to wait half a season to trade a player. If we could adjust it down to 40 days then I think it would be better.
Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: OldNuggetsGM on April 11, 2005, 01:44:56 PM Also, do the different portions of the offseason have different time periods attached to them? For example, there was the resigning your own guys period, then the draft, then free agency (days 1-5). Are each of these assigned a different time/day for trading purposes?
Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: NetsGM on April 11, 2005, 02:11:39 PM I just ran through and tested various players acquired on these dates. Here's how the program does it.
Players acquired on: Day 170 (draft) Can be traded on day: Day 31 Acquired on: Day 180 (after draft, before FA) Traded on: Day 41 Acquired on: Day 181 (FA day 1) Traded on: Day 41 Acquired on: Day 182-185 (FA day 2-5) Traded on: Day 51 Acquired on: Day 1-60 of the season Traded on: Add 60 days to when signed. ------------------------ So it looks like the program adds 15 days at the beginning of the season. That's how the 60 schedule will stand. I will not shorten it. We've already got various ways of moving around the 60 day rule, lessening the impact it has. I will not lessen its impact any more. In fact if I do anything it's to strengthen its impact. There needs to be a consequence for trades being made. You shouldn't be able to repair mistakes instantaneously. You should put thought into all transactions. Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: NetsGM on April 11, 2005, 02:12:53 PM Quote Also, do the different portions of the offseason have different time periods attached to them? For example, there was the resigning your own guys period, then the draft, then free agency (days 1-5). Are each of these assigned a different time/day for trading purposes? Look on the transactions page. It has day #'s attached to them. Guys given extensions before the draft could actually be traded the following day, since they always had contracts. Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: GoldenStateGM on April 11, 2005, 02:20:01 PM Thanks Dabods, that list comes in handy, and gives me better idea as to when players can be traded.
Just a point for discussion, none of us want to make your job any harder... Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: NetsGM on April 11, 2005, 02:40:28 PM There, I included the chart on the rules page (not that anyone checks that anyway :) )
http://ssba.phillyarena.net/files/rules.htm#trades_offseason60 Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: SpursGM-old on April 11, 2005, 02:42:36 PM I agree that the list is invaluable. It changes the perception that all those players had to wait until day 60.
Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: NetsGM on April 11, 2005, 02:49:58 PM Do you guys realize that the rules page for this league is now 12 pages long?
and I probably have a good 10 more pages that I want to add to it. Unreal. I feel like I'm writing application documentation again :) Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: GoldenStateGM on April 11, 2005, 02:53:30 PM Quote from: NetsGM Do you guys realize that the rules page for this league is now 12 pages long? and I probably have a good 10 more pages that I want to add to it. Unreal. I feel like I'm writing application documentation again :) Well, considering how much rules bending would go on if everything was not fully documented... Yikes!!!! The double trade of Swift still blows me away.... Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: HawksGM on April 11, 2005, 03:26:53 PM Quote from: GoldenStateGM Quote from: NetsGM Do you guys realize that the rules page for this league is now 12 pages long? and I probably have a good 10 more pages that I want to add to it. Unreal. I feel like I'm writing application documentation again :) Well, considering how much rules bending would go on if everything was not fully documented... Yikes!!!! The double trade of Swift still blows me away.... lol, oops :oops: Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: NetsGM on April 11, 2005, 03:32:50 PM Can't blame ya hawks, everything you did was legal as written in the rules.
You did nothing wrong. I just didn't plan well enough for it. Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: HawksGM on April 11, 2005, 03:35:27 PM Quote from: NetsGM Can't blame ya hawks, everything you did was legal as written in the rules. You did nothing wrong. I just didn't plan well enough for it. Yea, we talked for awhile about how to make the deal work and that was really the only thing we could both agree to that would work under the current rules Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: GoldenStateGM on April 11, 2005, 03:36:35 PM Hey, all the credit in the world for making that trade work...
Sad I never though about a trade that way.... lol And there is Swift, on the phone... It's like that Kevin Willis commercial.. lol Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: HawksGM on April 11, 2005, 03:41:07 PM Quote from: GoldenStateGM Hey, all the credit in the world for making that trade work... Sad I never though about a trade that way.... lol And there is Swift, on the phone... It's like that Kevin Willis commercial.. lol lol, yea i have to give most of the credit to the Sonics, they pretty much masterminded this one Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: SonicsGM on April 11, 2005, 08:50:42 PM Quote from: HawksGM Quote from: GoldenStateGM Hey, all the credit in the world for making that trade work... Sad I never though about a trade that way.... lol And there is Swift, on the phone... It's like that Kevin Willis commercial.. lol lol, yea i have to give most of the credit to the Sonics, they pretty much masterminded this one He wanted to give me Swift instead of Baly and take away a first. I thought for a second, then said....wait, just trade me swift and the first, then I will ship swift right back to you by himself. it just seemed to work out. Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: RaptorsGM on April 12, 2005, 04:35:50 PM Question: A guy signed to a min contract during free agency...is the 60 day rule applicable for him?
Title: 60 day rule discussion Post by: NetsGM on April 12, 2005, 05:00:28 PM Yes.
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