SSBA

Sixers Trade:  Eddy Curry, David Lee and Freddie Jones for

Spurs Trade:  07 #1 pick, 08 spurs round 2 pick and Michael Finley

I accept.

spurs accept. Duncan at sf? hehe

wow, big trade!

Interesting.  But not sure I like it from either side.

If the Spurs needed a SF, there's a heckuva one that would have been available with your pick.  There's also an incredible SG and PG available as well.  Not prospects, players that could have helped you win NOW.  I think that might have been a better route than giving yourself 3 players that play 2 positions.

And for the Sixers, I assume he's going to go with either the top flight pg or top flight sf available, and slide murphy/dwight to pf/c.  That's fine, in theory, since it fills your teams weakness.  But I'm not sure I agree with trading an established, stud center to fill your need.  I think you're going to miss your best post defender and post scorer, not to mention shotblocker.  You now have noone to prevent driving down the middle.

I had planned on drafting a sg/sf but when 76ers offered curry i could not pass on him. He is a beast with 3.6 bpg. I expect hunt to imprve during training camp so he can take over at sg  or ill sign one to the mle.

my lineup should be

Duncan
Curry
Padgett
hunt
parker

Its a big lineup and it could work.

getting a big's always good.  I won't criticize you there.  Another trade and you could be a contender.

I agree on this one. I dont think its a good deal for both teams because it doesn't satisfy their team needs. Spurs' frontcourt is pretty solid with Padgett and Duncan, with the 1st pick they can get a SG/SF who can give you 20ppg. But, like spursGM said, EC is an offer he cant reject. If i am the spursGM, i would like to find a third party to ship EC for an All-star SG (Kobe maybe?)

For the Sixers, i think jemagee is pretty confident with his frontcourt of murphy and dwight. What i dont understand is that, giving up curry is like giving his whole interior defense. Because aside from curry, no one else is capable of blocking shots. Although a combination of dwight and murphy is a very good rebounding combo.

Anyway, i guess its a trade where both GM think that they got the better end talent wise. Although it doesnt really fit their team needs.

Thats my post.

Anyway, i was surprised by the way shaun rupp has improved his game. Last time i saw his ratings, its far from the way it looked like right now. A- inside, A- defense, B+ rebounding? What happened here? Has the training camp already been simmed?

Rupp's ratings on January 3rd:
B   C-   C-   B-   B   B

Now, the question is, when exactly were his ratings editted?  Before or after the trade?  How much before?

Alright, I just compared everything in an excel file, no draftee other than Rupp has been modified since January 3rd.

I realize before you editted some players to make this a better draft.  Fine.  Not sure I necessarily agree with that since it lessens the value of already established good players, but whatever.  At least everyone's on a level playing field.

BUT ONCE YOU POST A DRAFT FILE YOU CANNOT EDIT IT!.  Not only does it raise suspicision of WHEN you editted that player and possibly point to tampering, but there are people like me who dump the data into an excel file and base all of our decisions from there.  Making changes after the fact makes our prior work useless, and makes us uninformed to the actual draftees.

This is borderline on "draft needs to be redone" stage.

I definitely agree with nuggz GM. Doing this BS isnt fair for anyone in this league.

I noticed that Rupp didn't show up on the draft preview board when he was taken last night, and I was wondering why he was selected so high. Now he basically has the same ratings as Shaq, whereas before I had him as a late lotto pick. And if his actual potential is a B or A and not a D....

I think the best course of action would be to allow the Spurs gm to decide if he still wants to go through with the trade with this knowledge, and there should be a brief period where other GMs can make offers for the pick if they want.

In the future a draftee's ratings shouldn't be changed after it's been posted. This makes sense for a lot of reasons.

Yup, I had him rated around 9th.  When Twan told me over IM last night that he wanted him #1 I almost laughed at him.  Of course, when discussing the draft with him I just looked over the draft file I had previously made, not hte one uploaded on the site, and didn't notice the change in abilities until BullsGM pointed it out.

i'm a little slow so what your saying is somebody is trying to cheat the rest of us by improving certain players to make there team better   :cry:

Yes, it was unfair.  I edited him and had a few other Centers edited because there wasn't anyone too great.  Then after looking at him again, I wanted him and got him which was cheap.  So, I really don't care if the trade goes through OR I can just make him worse, either way, doesn't bother me.  I thought someone else would get him instead but then got the pick uploaded the site and he wasn't there as like Carter, Norris because I uploaded again.  Also, something is wrong with my draft file, if anyone see's 2 of the same player on the board, it's messed, mine on the program is messed up.  Whatever works, I don't care

Man, whoa Twan.

I'll repeat this again.  Nobody else was editted after the file was originally uploaded on January 3rd.

Nobody.  Except the guy you drafted.  Nobody.

Do you not see how editting players AFTER the file was uploaded can affect other people?  Do you not see how that's not fair?  Do you not see what's wrong with editting files?

Unfortunately, we'll never know exactly when you last editted his file.  Just like we'll never know exactly why the computer traded giddens for williams only to drop williams.  but we'll always have a shadow of a doubt.

That is really a bad move.

Anyway, I think we need to let Twan answer this, and I'm gonna lock this before the "Twan bashing" starts to come.

Just to clarify, noone's bashed Twan.  But we've certainly questioned him.  And it certainly deserves questioning.

Good to clarify. But you are exactly right, no one has bashed him.

I'm just thinking, this could make some people very angry, and that's why I think this thread should be locked.

It has come to my attention that members of SSBA need to have a spot to talk about this, and therefore I am unlocking this thread.

But as SOON as I find this getting into a fight, or bashing by any party, It will be looked again by a mod.

So if we can all talk about this civilized, lets do it.

I can understand if you are mad, I'm kinda pissed about this too. Things like this didn't happen when Jem was around. But remember, without Twan there wouldn't be an SSBA.

agreed

So what's going to happen?

I think that might be a tiny overexagerration.

Here's my deal.

Under NO circumstances do you edit a player.  EVER.  Not a free agent.  Not someone on a team.  Not a draftee.  Not even a draftee that hasn't been shown to the public.

Why?  Imagine this.  The commish has a horrible team.  He knows he has a top 3 pick.  Randomizes the draft, sees it's a horrible draft.  No talent at the top.  He then decides to edit it.  Is this fair?  Of course not.  And if it's unfair under one circumstance, it shouldn't be done under ANY circumstance.

On top of that, you NEVER EVER EVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE edit a draftee after he's been uploaded.  EVER.  PERIOD.  I can't emphasize this enough.  It's just unacceptable, cheating or not.

I dont have time now, but i will loom over the daft later and decide if i stillk acceot the trade.

Well, I agree 100% with what you have said.

And What I'm saying about Twan sving SSBA is that he was the one to take the job. If he didn't would anyone have?

IU would like to cancel this trade and take Rupp with the 1rst pick.

Who are you?  Can you please register on the board before posting cuz anyone can post as spurs gm.

Yes, please sign in.

I think maybe the whole draft should be thrown out a new draft generated. This one is contaminated.

I agree.

Even though I've spent plenty of time studying this one.  Have already worked out a trade.  And am working on another one.

I hear ya. I'm working on a trade, and have studied hard. It's just so hard to know what is fair now after this mess. I wish Twan would show up and say something.

This is, if he doesn't have a save file from before the draft we really can't.

True. Ah man, what a mess.

I long for the days of no-nonsense Jem, when shit like this didn't happen/

Jem was much more organized with what he did.  he laid out steps and stuck to them.  Twan doesn't really.

careful what you wish for   :lol:

I think I agree that the draft should be thrown out. Especially since you guys have worked out trades.  :wink:

Jem was professional too. Twan doing the whole "Shawn Rupp from................................some college I don't remember"

Lol, should of said, Shaq from LSU.

has Twan posted nething since this all started??

Don't think so.

Yeah, actually I did.  I'm not organized.  Maybe people should realize this league would be over if I didn't take over.  People don't care, there are more than 6 inactive GMs and everything is work.  Nobody cares, maybe I shouldn't either.

Hey man, lets not forget that your actions were unjust and people have a right to be pretty pissed.

We all know and apprecaite how much work this is for you.

I actually explained some things.  And only 2 people, so far have appreciated this enough to say thanks.

make it 3, thx for giving me the chance to be in this league

Twan - I'm just curious - why the lock?

Who needs to talk?  I don't need people to tell me I'm a shitty commish.  If people think I am crap, fine, they can find another league as in I don't care.  This is more work than anyone realizes, most people don;t realize anything

There are different ways to handle a mistake.

One is to admit you were wrong, apologize, realize why people were upset, and work things through

Another is to bitch and moan about people who don't appreciate you, get defensive, and ignore the very real problem.

This is where we find out what people are made of.  Unfortunately we found out.

And you didn't save the league.  You weren't the only one willing to take it over.  You're not a savior, and you are open to criticism.

Who else was willing to take it over, Nuggs? You?

And Twan, c'mon man. What you did was pretty damn close to cheating. That ain't right, and you're above that.

I'm not going to get into names.  I've talked to more than person who would be willing to.

And just to clarify, these talks weren't done to try to push twan out, but just in case twan didn't react to this incident well and quit.

Well, Twan hasn't reacted well. I don't get it. There could be a new problem too. Nuggs, you should pm Warriors about it.

nvm, I pm'd you.

Is this what is happening now, or do the Sixers still have Rupp?

And we are continuing with the draft even though two of the mods and one of the admins have suggested that the draft be redone?

We need a resolution to this before we go on.

We need Twan to make a decision.

The Spurs can have him, I don't care.

You should care, man.