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Here are some pre-training camp statistics.
(these are all team averages, based on rosters without post-fa additions.  Also keep in mind that this who will play has no relevance.  A guy could never get off your bench and he is waited as equally as Shaq.  And this only goes by ratings, no stats.  It is also not weighted, as how much you weight certain attributes is very team specific.).

Youngest teams in the league:
Hawks (23 years old)

Spurs (23.4)
Clippers (24)

Oldest Teams in the League:
Knicks (28.6)
76ers (28.1)
Sonics (27.6)

League Average: 25.58

Heaviest Teams in the league:
Rockets (239.5 lbs)
Hawks (235.6)
Celtics (234.1)

Lightest Teams in the league:
Nuggets (217.8)
Blazers (218.1)
Clippers (2191)

League Average: 225.5

Best Inside:
76ers
Kings
Mavs

Worst Inside:
Spurs
Magic
Warriors

Best Outside:
Wizards
Mavs
Wolves

Worst Outside:
Bucks
Blazers
76ers

Best Ballhandling:
Spurs
Nuggets
Kings

Worst Ballhandling:
Bucks
Celtics
Magic

Best Defensive:
76ers
Sonics
Hornets

Worst Defensive:
Blazers
Hawks
Celtics

Best Rebounding:
Bucks
76ers
Mavs

Worst Rebounding:
Lakers
Suns
Grizzlies

Best Overall Offensive:
Mavs
Wizards
Kings

Worst Overall Offensivfe:
Magic
Warriors
Lakers

Best Overall:
Mavs
76ers
Raptors

Worst Overall:
Celtics
Hawks
Blazers

Most Potential:
Hawks
Lakers
Celtics

Least Potential:
Pistons
Jazz
Rockets

Top Rated Players:
Kevin Garnett
Tracy McGrady
then 4 players tied (kobe, duncan, dirk, kidd, marion)

Lowest Rated Player:
Troy Bell

Top Rated Scorer:
Dirk
Vince
Peja
TMac (all tied)

Lowest Rated Scorer:
Steven Hunter

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Not sure what relevance this has, if any.  I mean, Zoran Planninic is weighing me down, even though he'll never be on the active roster.  But it's interesting nonetheless.

very interesting, according to your statistics I'll have another top 3 pick but as you said this means nothing, but it is neat to see...also Baly and Tanner are putting me up there in the heavy stats...

Yeah, this would definitely over reward benches (as on a team with a 15 man roster, 60% of the guys would be playing 15 minutes or less, but would have more say than the starters) and even IR's.  It would be better if we could just do starting 5's, but I'm not going to even attempt to go through and look at all starting 5's.

Also, I will be running training camp at around 3:30-4, not 5.

sweet, get off class at 4 and go home to Tanner's ratings being A inside A+ D and B+ rebounding :wink: , but really I'm interested to see a couple guys around the league's improvements, Tanner, Petit, Kirlienko among a few...and everyone else on my squad

Woohoo!!!  The earlier the better...
I have already done my copying of the players stats, and put them in a database...

According to those numbers, I will have a putrid offense... lol
Luckily, I know that my IR and deep bench are filled with players who cannot hit the broad side of a barn...
But my starters and 4 man bench...  well that is a different story.

Yeah, I'm thinking after tc I'm going to do the starting 5.  But no point putting in that work when It's just going to change in a few hours.

yea that may greatly alter your statistics, but it's still very interesting to see some of these...I'm hoping my team drastically changes for the better after TC

Very, very true...  Unless you are incredibly bored ;)

i will have to wait until the trade happens. i hope it will be done before the first sim.

all trades posted will be processed before a sim is run, as long as it works.

rosters on the website will be updated today after training camp is run.

wow... my team is the worst on almost all categories... damn

3rd best overall.

Cool.

Mavs should be able to win a championship with best inside and outside combos.

statistics are likes bikinis... what they reveal are suggestive.. but what they conceal is vital... ;)

I really need Josh Smith, Al Harrington, Andre Emmett, JR Smith and Antonio Burks to improve or I'm in a lot of trouble on the perimeter

cant wait to see what the 2nd rounders do.

yea, see if there's any Gilbert Arenas's in this draft class

I know what you mean...
If Biedrins improves in inside offense and defense, I am in great shape, with him next to Ben Wallace.
If JRich can increase in offense at all, he will become a serious offensive force.
If Hinrich improves in offense, handle, or defense, he could be one of the top points in the league.

A whole lot of ifs...  Another 2 hours to find out ;)

haha i know, i'm glad i have class from 3-4 to take up some time

What time is TC? 4?

Too lazy to read, but more than willing to boast 70 wins...  :P

i'm little surprised that TMAC/BIBBY combo is not in the top 3 outside

It's not just a combo though, it's an entire 12-15 man roster.

Shitty buzz. didnt get home til 4, so didnt have a chance to load the old ratings.

Training camp has been simmed.  Rosters are being uploaded now.

I haven't processed any trades or signings.  Why?  I wanted people to be able to compare their rosters before with now.  I'll process trades and signings tonight.

Raps: I'll send you your old ones tonight.

Me: Emeka went up 1 in Defense, stayed the same in everything else (including A potential).

Pettit went +1 in outside to A-, +1 in handles to B-, defense +1 to B+.

Haven't looked hard enough at everyone else.

that's another story

Wow.

Mihm loses 1 handling I believe, but gains a Reb, to have A- defense, A- rebouding. GREAT.

Boozer loses a potential, but gains in inside. Nice.

Erving Johnson lost a defense ratings. Too bad.

Vince lost a Outside scoring rating which is very disapointing, but GAINED potential, to B. That was nice.

Finley stays the same, but ALSO gains potential, to B.

Cassell was nice.

Ellis greatly improved his scoring, but I would have rather seen that Handles and Defense go up.

Both Nate Lovette and Lavar Piatowski went to A- defense.

I'm pretty damn happy.

Rafael Araujo. F*ck off.  :roll: He's turning into Shaq.

Thanks. THat would be appreciated.

I don't think player can gain Pot.

Yes they can. Araujo went from F to B.

Me thinks Tanner Houbergs had a bad one.

yea I haven't seen my team yet but I looked at Araujo after the post....yea he's turning into a real beast...i'm sure dabods will let you know though

Oh he will. But that's just crazy. He has MVP potential. That shouldnt happen :)

WOW Mason Mercer EXPLODED!

Old:  C+   B     B+   A-   D+     C
New: C+  A-    A-    A-   D+   B

Not only did his outside offense go up HUGE, but he went up in potential!

Damn. I shoulda drafted him over Ellis.

my page hasn't changed yet..on my browser at least....if Tanner had a bad one I'll be pissed

B C+ D+ A C+ B

you tell me. i cant remember how he was.

Had a bad TC, seem like everyone's ratings went down except Araujo. :evil:

his inside scoring and potential both went down 1 and his D went up 1...shit

I'm so stoked with my training camp!  :)

Griffin : 1 up inside, 1 up defense still A potential
Kaman: 1 up rebounding, B potential
Curry: 3 up Potential
Dunleavy: 1 up outside, 1 up handles, 1 up rebounding
Mo Pete: 1 up defense, B potential
Cosic: 1 up defense, A potential
MERCER: 2 up outside, 1 up handles, 3 up potential

Mercer probably had the best TC in the league (although I haven't seen anyone elses roster) He IS the best PG of that draft

Also, what happened with Tanner... Hopefully he still puts of big numbers for the Hawks

Is this still on?  "Champs 2008-2010....guarnateed"

Yeah but Araujo is a beast.

Still, i THINK i had a great TC.

You should look at Deng B- B C- A- C B :shock:

LOL...it will be changed...maybe "Forever re-building" is a better term

Wow, Deng went up huge as well...  

I can't even remember what the trade was, GoldenState do you?  I would like to reevaluate it, I had no idea Deng would go up that much.  J Rich also went up huge for him.   He's definetely worth the max now.

Great TC for the Warriors

Deng had a great training camp...
As did Hinrich, who went up one in defense, whic is all I really needed...  And he kept his B potential...
C A- A- B D+ B

JRich  is now B+ B C A- C B ...  He is getting to elite status, and kept his potential... Up on inside, 2 outside, and one defense..

Biedrins went up one on defense, nothing else, and went from an A potential to a B potential...  That one hurts, I was hoping for much more...

Phillip Meyers is now a, A- outside shooter...  And Ben Wallace lost one on offense... This completely changes my game plan....
Vlad RAdman lost 1 in outside shooting...  Was hoping that would go up...

I had a horrible TC...Tanner, Baly and Burks all got worse....TJ Ford, JR Smith and Robert Swift (a lot better) went up and Stromile, Al Harrington, Josh Smith and Andre Emmett all stayed the same....this team is the perfect reason to not way potential so heavily

It was Hinrich and Denf for Dunleavy, Barry, and my pick, basically...
But that trade allowed you to draft Mercer, so it worked out well for you...

Yep, this trade worked SO well for both teams.  For you Deng is going to be awesome, Hinrich went up to B in defense.  Dunleavy went up for me, Barry stayed with his solid ratings and like you said, it allowed me to draft Mercer.

An average training camp for the Rockets... excpet one absolute EXPLOSION!!!!

Hunter Summit, the guy who a few said I wasted my LLE on, has leaped to B- B C+ B- D+ B. He is the missing Shooting Guard I so desperately needed.

Doug Christie maintained his shot and his defense and also developed B- handles from C+ to give him C B B- A C- C.

Charlie Ward improved his handles at the expense of his outside shot (meh, he's my PG, I already have scorers)

Yao improved his rebounding to B+

Was a lil dissaponted with Rob Benoit though. Didn't do anything really

i don't like this at all. mike bibby went from A- outside to B+

holy bleepin bleep.  I had mason rated as my #3 or 4 overall player in the draft.  No kidding.  Ask GoldenState.

Had I known this he might have been 1a.  He might be the best pg in the league right now.  He had an insane TC.

I was very vocal that Tanner was a nobrainer #1 pick.  I would have taken him no questions asked.  But boy am I glad I didn't "luck out" and get the #1 pick.

Which SG would you rather have on your team?
B+    B+    C+    B+    C-    B
or
B    A-    B-    B+    C    A

;)

My starting lineup defense:
C: A
PF: A
SF: A
SG: B+
PG: B

God I wish I had been able to acquire another pick in the draft.  I REALLY wanted Mercer.  Emeka, Pettit and Mercer would have been  :shock:

Wolves had a nice TC
KVH went up to an A- outside.  Nice compliment to KG.  Ronald Murray to an A- defense.  Rafer to C, B+, B+, A-.  might be fighting with Mercer as best PG in the league.

A few musing around the L...

Okafor looks great. So does Petit for the Nets.

TD looks awesome.

I think Magloire's ratings went down.

Damn, I still can't believe Mercer did that. I hope Ellis has a great TC next year if he's gonna be a starter.

My rebounding is going to be awesome.

Thats what I like to hear  :)

And yeah I hope it works out for the Hawks, Tanner may not even end up being the best center in that draft (Griffin had a good TC although he's not as good as Tanner yet, Ferry was already good).

I was actually looking for a little better from emeka.

I had wanted him to do one of the following:
- move up to an A inside scoring.
- move up to an A- or higher rebonding.
- Improve to a C- or more outside.

He did also move into a C- handles.  That, along with his improved defense, and keeping his A potential makes it a success, and should be able to improve one of the 3 areas on the future.  But was hoping for a little more this TC.

The guy I just signed, Nolan Johnson had a decent TC too. Nice.

And, didn't notice it until now, but very dissapointed in Rodney Rogers. Good thing the MLE is only 1 year.

Did Bosh or Wade even go up at all?  I remember the Lakers being very high on them  :wink:

But yeah, Bosh isn't developing like I thought he would, he also went down to B potential.  Chris is still a great defender though, who knows Bosh could still explode to become an elite player, Mercer had C potential when he went off.

I was hoping that Biedrins would just move up to an A- inside, and a B defense...  I got half my wish, but just did not expect his potential to fall to a B.  But he can still improve next year, so that is OK...  But he lost his featured spot in my scoring rotation...
Because, JRich is now as good as Vince Carter, numerically...  -1 outside and handle, but +1 rebounding and defense...

mercer must not have had C potential though.

Yeah, now I know that scouted Potential means jack all (didn't believe you before).  The two biggest improvements in this TC were Mercer and Deng, who both had C potential.  Also, Hoffa had F...

Well Christ, obviously Hoffa had A++ potential.

Rafael Araujo.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

he might be an a-, a-, a- by the time he's done.

and dirk?  he doesn't have an offensive rating above a B+.  Huh?

Eric Snow's not competent.

I got raped. But the fact that my team is going to win it all is going to be a major boost for me :)

I'm looking forward to this best starting 5 thing you said you were gonna do.

Raptors, was Lavar Piatkowski a second rounder?  He's pretty solid

Man all this TC hoopla is distracting me from my school work...

Yup, Lavar was. He is prett nice. So is Lovelette, who looks great.

Disappointing training camp. All LeBron did was go up one in outside shooting. That's it. Z improved his defense. Martin went up one in defense, but down one in rebounding. Prince went to an A- defense. Maclean turned out pretty solid. That's about it.

How about Jamal Del Negro. Damn, he is good now. Flew right by Ethan Terpening.

Wade improved his handle and bosh improved his defense. I expected a little more out of bosh, scouted potential says B but im not sure i believe it, at least im hoping. Well, bound for the lottery again.

I guess i didn't do too bad with my draft ratings...

Here is what i did I gave them all a rating of 0-10 based on letter grades and totaled the score...  Then with each player i made a position specific rating(ex: PG - Handles, Outside Shooting, Defense)...  Then i selected my top 13 picks by rating position...  Below, the first position rating is before the draft, last one is after the TC...  I think i did a decent job with my ratings...  

Pick-- Player-------My Rating----Pos. Rating1--Pos. Rating2-----Final Rank
5 - Mason Mercer-----31--------------24---------------27-----------1
3 - Oscar Ferry-------31--------------23---------------23-----------4
1 - Tanner Houbregs-29--------------22---------------22-----------6
2 - Garett Pettit-------30--------------22---------------24-----------2
7 - Alvin Schenk------28--------------22---------------24-----------3
8 - Bob Diddle--------26--------------21---------------22-----------7
11-Troy Havlicek-----25--------------21---------------23-----------5
10- Ethan Terpening--29--------------20---------------20-----------9
6 - Lorenzo Ellis------30--------------20---------------20-----------10
4 - Emanuel Griffin---26--------------19---------------21-----------8
9 - LaDon Curry------28--------------19---------------19-----------11
13-Kyle Hobson------26--------------19---------------18-----------12
12-Jamal Del Negro--23--------------18---------------17-----------13

Side note - Potential was not a factor in this rating system...
Also, the pick i put, is the one i predicted...

Back to the TC...  I was really hoping Ferry's Potential would increase, but it sadly stayed at a D, his outside shot did improve though...  Terpening's potential did go up to a C, and his handles increased to a B-(he is now: B-,B-,B-,B+,C-,C)...  Definately ratings i can live with...  Murphy increased in Defense, but decreased in Handling and Inside Shooting...  Not much else, besides McInnis moving to a B in both Handles and Defense...  Overall i was hoping for a lot better, but i guess the hand with $hit filled up first again...




I also put in a bid of the LLE to this guy...  you definately lucked out...

from:

(http://img89.exs.cx/img89/8686/untitled1fi.jpg)

to:

(http://img187.exs.cx/img187/9513/untitled1lt.jpg)

everything went well for me... Dwight and Pavel's defense went up by 2 and 1 rating respectively...

I was expecting my team to have no less the B on defense... but some deterriorated.. but we'll see...

Francis has a great training camp as well...

Jameer surprised me with his development...

The Hammer's, DeClercq, defense went up...
Not to mention that some of my player's potential went up.. lol

Joe Johnson is proving he should start on my team... he had a good TC...

I think Bruce Bowen did pretty good as well...

^ Print Screening was a good idea, and easy on the eyes  :)

Dwight Howard is going to be an amazing player, hes still only 18 with A potential.

thanks...

anyway, I was tired of doing the traditional copy-and-paste thing.. lol

well. I guess its about time to trade LeBron to my team ;)

I guess so. Butler is basically the same. Throw in Borchardt and let's pull the trigger.

get online... let's talk...  :lol:

Nets are lucky they got the #2 pick...Petit is looking pretty good and Tanner while still good, doesn't look like a dominant force, only 22 and his scoring is already going down!!

Tanner's looking a lot like Yao.

In real life.

Someone with great promise who plays very good but not dominant.

Of course, it's awfully quick to say that after he hasn't played a game and still has a B potential :)

I still can't get over Mercer and Araujo.

Therein lies the two mistakes I have made in this League. Trading Araujo, although I have made up for him, and drafting Ellis ahead of Mercer, although there was no way to know he would get that good.

yea that's a good analysis, he does still have B potential which isn't bad or anything, i just think it disappointed me and everyone else to see him go down

Yeah, but Mercer was rated better than Ellis.

You drafted based on potential.  Always a risk.

Ellis was a better all around player.

And Ellis will more than likely make a move to SG next year. With a B,B offence, he could give 18-20 ppg.

Before training camp, Mercer was a very good point guard with all the right ratings. Now, he is just ridiculous. He could be the rookie of the year.

He SHOULD be rookie of the year. Damn. I feel so bad for the Hawks.

Honestly, I think that a player's TC ratings are affected by what theam they are on. Seriously. The players that jumped the most were on the teams that are bound to win this year. Look at my guys, Vince and Finley both jumped in potential.

If by all-around you mean "without a position", sure.

Ellis:
B-   B-   B   B   C   B
Mercer:
C+   B   B+   A-   D+   C

Mason better in :
outside shooting, ballhandling and defense.
Ellis better in:
inside scoring and rebounding.

Mason was better at all the key pg categories.  Inside scoring and rebounding are teh 2 most worthless positions in pg's

Yeah, but Ellis has no major weaknesses, and has triple-double potential.

My team scores inside the paint. I don't take outside shots. Ellis is a much better rebounder, and inside scorer. I took a risk, and next year, it might pay off.

He is the midget version of Shannon Brown. In fact, those were his exact ratings, if I remember correctly.

Which is why you want maximum range from your pg.

IF you pf and center score in the paint, your pg won't have driving room.  Having a pg with a 3 pt shot prevents them from doubling in the paint, and makes you pay for doubling bigs.

the new draft class is up....i guess i should start looking at it

Hawks, Tanner could still turn out to be a very very good player.  B potential still means he could go up.

And Raptors, I still can't believe Mercer went crazy either.  Do you guys think Mercer being from Chicago had anything to do with it?  Maybe being from the hometown does make a difference...

Tanner is from Atlanta, and yea he is still going to be very good but probably not going to be the dominant Shaq-like force I was hoping for

yes, draft and potential fa's are both up.

Well that throws my theory out the window.

Lol, maybe not, but it definitely doesn't help you prove much, although his D did go up to an A giving me a very very good defensive frontcourt w/Tanner and Strom

Just lookin at some of my former players, Chandler and Gordan had good TC's.  The Clippers have very good core.

after i check all my players i am not sure if i had a good TC.
i hoped one of my starters would really improve .
i guess the stats of last year also had some influence in the TC.
Pietrus was insane.
he went up all over the ratings(inside, outside and def) and still kept his Pot.

Etan Thomas  B- C- D+ A- B+ B = +1 Reb, +1 Pot
Amare Stoudemire  A- C- C- A B- B = -1 Hand +1 Def -1 Pot
Danny Fortson  B- C D- C+ A- B = +1 Pot
Kenny Thomas  B- C- C- C+ B B = -1 Inside +1 Pot
Rasheed Wallace B- B C- B+ C C = -1 Def
Wally Szczerbiak  C B D+ B- C C = -1 Inside -1 Hand +1 Pot
Jarvis Hayes  C B- C B- C- C = +1 Def
Gilbert Arenas  B B+ C+ A- C- B = No Change
Erick Strickland  C A- C B- C- C = -1 Def +1 Pot
Tyronn Lue  C B+ B C D C = -1 Pot
Mikel Chamberlain  D+ C+ A- C C- B = -1 Outside +1 Hand

I'm not that pleased with my TC. Amare didn't improve that much and Arenas didn't change at all. Etan Thomas had a great TC though, he's pretty much my only bright spot.

Nets sent my my previous file so I could compare.

Mihm wnt up +1 in rebounding.

Ostertag went -1 in handling.

Ervin Johnson went -1 inside, -1 handling, -1 defense. Terrible TC for him.

Boozer went +1 inside, but lost -1 potential.

Rodnet Rogers went -1 outside AND -1 potential. Very bad.

Nachbar also -1 outside shot.

Wow. Vince. -1 outside, -1 handling. +1 potential, but still. I don't want to see a 27 year old lose ratings.

Lorenzen Ellis gained +1 inside, +1 outside, but -1 handling. He is going to be my SG next year when Finley leaves.

Weak class.

Had a strange TC.  8 players dropped 1 in ratings; one stayed the same.  Bright side is that 3 of the 8 increased one in potential.

I had 4 guys increase just 1 in ratings...key one being Tony Parker who went to A- in handles.  Biggest surprise was Kundla who exploded.  He went up +1outside, +2 defense and +1 rebounding.  Made the signing of Kittles for the MLE a waste...too bad you can't trade MLE players.

Other nice surprise was Rasho went up +1 in handles and defense.  Overall though my team gained just +2.

Im extremely thrilled on how my backcourt guys did during the TC.

Mike James Before TC:
C B+ B- B+ C- C

Mike James After TC:
C A- B- A- C- B

and

Allen Iverson Before TC:
B+ B- B- A D+ C

AI After TC:
A- B- B A D+ B

Not only that their skill ratings did went up 2 or 3 "levels", but their potential did went up.

Agreed...  Another class with some great point guards...  But there might not be a consensus one/two/three like there was last year...

This was asked before.

Nobody's weight changed during tc.  So that means nobody's weight will likely ever change during their careers.

Yea this class is real weak, there is one guy who would have been a sure top 5 in the last draft, all the other top guys would have been top 10 in the last draft at best

i think there are some real good players but nobody will dominate but there may be a new Rafael Araujo  :lol:

Just for fun...
Here are the biggest improvers (not including changes in potential)
Lavar Piatkowski - up 5
Earl Boykins - up 5
Garret Pettit, Jameer Nelson, Trent Kundla, Hunter Summit, Jason Richardosn, Mickael Pietrus, Juan Cunningham all up 4

Looks like this is the year of the pint-sized point guard, with Boykins and Mercer being pretty good...  :P

Best Individual Training Camps:
+5:
Lavar Piatkowski
Earl Boykins

+4:
Garrett Pettit
Jameer Nelson
Mickael Pietrus
Hunter Summitt
Trent Kundla
Jason Richardson
Juan Cunningham

Worst Individual Training Camps:
-3:
Ervin Johnson
Juwan Howard
Raja Bell

-2:
(too many to list, some notable ones)
Wally Sczcerbiak
Vince Carter
Andre Miller
James Posey
Eddie Jones
Damon Stoudamire.

Best scoring increase:
+3:
Mickael Pietrus
Hunter Summitt
Jason Richardson

Biggest Scoring Decrease:
-2:
Malik Rose
Juwan Howard
Raja Bell

Lavar Piatikowski was the only one to improve +3 on defense.  some notable +2's include Ben Gordon, Dwight Howard, Hector Strom and Trent Kundla.

Biggest change in handles:
+2:
Emeka Okafor
Jeff McInnis
Earl Boykins
Troy Havlicek

Best team training camps:
Nets (+15) --> Shallow, I'll explain why.
Suns (+14)
Magic (+12)

Worst Team Training Camps:
Knicks, Grizzlies and Sonics at -7

Biggest scoring change: Magic +6
Worst is the Wizards and Clippers at -3

Biggest change in defense: Suns +7
Worst: Grizzlies at -3

Updated highest ranked team: 76ers
Lowest ranked team: Grizzlies

Highest scoring: Mavs
Lowest: Sonics

Best Defense: 76ers
Worst: Blazers

why my increase was shallow.

I increased +15 in tc.  great.

My entire scoring only increased +2 (+2 outside, Pettit and Wagner).  My entire defense only improved +2 (Pettit and Okafor).

My biggest increases came from ballhandling in the frontcourt (Eschmeyer, Krstic, McCloud all +1, Okafor +2) and rebounding in the backcourt (Pettit, Harris, Wagner and Daniels all +1.

+11 in those two cats.  ballhandling is the least important attribute for a big man and rebounding least important for a pg, yippee.

To contrast, the team with statistically the 2nd best tc (suns):
+4 in scoring, +7 in defense.

dbodner, you just blew me off will all the list you came up with... :D

anyway, it's good to see my team being top 3 in biggest improvement this year.. Dwight will certainly be a force to reckon.. can't wait for the next TC..  :lol:

Just did my analysis for the enxt darft class...
After using the potential information from the last training camp to redefine my calculations...

This next class is lacking big men...  Although anyone that needs a guard... Merry Christmas.
My breakdown for the top 30
C - 4
PF - 5
SF - 4
SG - 9
PG - 8

I also did the average rating increases for each level of potential (A, B, etc).  Oh, but I'm not divulging that data :)

Well, of course not...  and neither am I... lol
But, I have a feeling ours are pretty close.  I was quite surprised by the average increases, truth be told...  It will take a couple more years to see if this year was an aberration or not...

Yeah.  Also, let's say players with an A potential increased on average of 4.24 (obviously not, just throwing out a random number).  That doesn't take into account future years.

What will be interesting (and I'll probably only do this on my team) is track players through multiple years.  For example, Okafor and Pettit are going to be A potentials for at least 2 years.  So while that A number might be low, it's not indicative of how much they'll ultimately increase.

I think when all is said and done the formula I gave out in the thread about potential in the Questions forum will be fairly close.

I'm in the middle of doing my own analysis.  Took quite a while to get all the information together, what with work and family and all.  So it'll be interesting to see if my analyses match up with both of yours.

But Boykins damn near dropped me out of the chair when I saw his TC.  He was only a C potential, and moved from a B handle and outside to an A- in both.  His defense also improved one.  Had I known that, I would've probably not resigned Miller.

Ray Allen improved +1 outside, but unfortunately dropped -1 in defense.  Gooden had a nice TC, moved up +1 in defense and rebounding (and kept his B potential).  Skita and Collison both jumped up to A potential, and Camby dropped to a C (even though not a single category changed).

I dumped it all into a database, so I will be tracking the whole league over years...  I did not associate teams with the players, though, so I cannot run the team analysis that you can.

 You hope...  I thought the same about 17 year old Biedrins, and he went down to a B potential...  But who knows...  next TC he may very well go back up to an A.  It is still perceived potential....

yea for the statistics i was also a little shocked but i am still not valueing the pot. this high.

No, they will be.

This TC and next TC they are guaranteed to have been A potential's going into it.

how do you know?
do they have still 90 pot?

We're going by scouted potential in our analysis, since that's the only thing we can go by.

And I do know because they are both listed as an A potential....that will not change between now and next training camp.

You have three capable starting point guards. Had to sign Miller, didn't you...  :evil:

I was looking at it as a no-lose situation.  I only bid on Miller the day I signed him.  But with neither Billups nor Boykins being a great defensive PG, I figured I could use him as a backup.  Also, with Miller being so good defensively, I also thought I'd rotate them for about 2 sims a piece, just to see how the offense functioned with both.  But then Boykins went crazy, and he's now rated pretty much the same as Miller.  

It sucked for me too, because I would've offered more to Medvedenko to stick around.

So if anyone needs a PG, let me know.  Boykins is the only one I can trade until day 60, though, and his contract is a bargain.

Here are some rankings for starting 5's.

Top Starting 5's:
Kings
Mavs
Raptors

Worst:
Bucks
Hawks
Blazers

Scoring
Best:
Rockets
Raptors
Kings

Worst:
Spurs
Lakers
Bucks

Inside
Best:
Kings
76ers
Rockets

Worst:
Spurs
Knicks
Nuggets

Outside Shooting
Best:
Nuggets
Rockets
Bulls

Worst:
76ers
Bucks
Cavs

Defense
Best:
Cavs
Pacers
Hornets

Worst:
Blazers
Bucks
Hawks

Rebounding
Best:
Mavs
Heat
Bucks

Worst:
Sonics
Rockets
Lakers

Handles
Best:
Kings
Bulls
Nuggets

Worst:
Magic (by a far margin)
Bucks
Celtics

Potential
Most:
Nets
Bulls
Lakers

Least:
Wolves
Kings
Heat

Geez, can you tell I'm a little anxious for the season?

I have the 8th best rated team (that doesn't include potential).  Then I also have the most potential in the league.

 :lol:

Not on a single one of those lists.. lol...
Looks like my starting 5 is great at nothing, and bad at nothing at the same time.. lol

Yeah, I wasn't on anything either (until potential).

Keep in mind I only posted 3 deep.

The sam ewith mine...  Any way you could post the "Overall Starting 5 Rankings" for every team bods???  I don't really have too much time to figure it out, as do a decent amount of the other GM's i would imagine...  Thanks and hope you post them...

1)   Kings
2)   Mavs
3)   Raptors
4)   Wolves
5)   Nuggets
6)   Jazz
7)   Heat
8 )   Cavs
9)   Nets
10)   76ers
11)   Bulls
12)   Hornets
13)   Pacers
14)   Grizzlies
15)   Rockets
16)   Clippers
17)   Wizards
18 )   Pistons
19)   Warriors
20)   Suns
21)   Knicks
22)   Sonics
23)   Magic
24)   Lakers
25)   Spurs
26)   Celtics
27)   Blazers
28 )   Hawks
29)   Bucks

I had the top potential going into this past TC and I think my team came out worse than it did going in

19th...  Oh, the pain...  It's a darn good thing my players are good at what they are suppsoed to be good at...  otherwise, I might be worried.. lol

Great stuff Nets, it good to see I'm actually on some of these lists now.  I'm a top 3 outside shooting team and have the second most potential.  Its funny how much 1 TC can do for your team.

Happy to be 3rd best overall.

Not just the TC but in this I only did starters.

Oh, and I'm also happy to have Lavar Piatowski. Him and Lovelette could equal the best 2nd rounders in SSBA.

My best players improved or stayed the same.

My benchplayers mostly lost attributes.

Funny, the best get better and the worst get worse!

Chandler improved in scoring and defense. He should be a real force now.

Kwame Brown (I signed in FA) got better in defense and will be more than a solid backup.

Brand is still the allstar from last season and Maggette will still put up big numbers as a second or third scorer.

Gordon actually learned how to play defense and should become a very dangerous sg.

Livingston had a good TC. Still has a lot to learn this year but will have a strong TC again next offseason.

Gordon and Livingston had good TC and still kept their A potential. This should be a great backcourt combo for years to come.

Ellis -        B B B- B C B
Carmelo - B+ B C B C B


Cool.

Ellis = 22 years old
Carmelo = 20 years old.

That will make a big difference.  And Carmelo will put up much better numbers (even if they were both #1 options)

Ok. Whatever you say. Ellis will be a much better all around player.

I was just noticing that their ratings are very similar.

Anway, Ellis has 15 6 and 6 capabilities if I move him to SG next year.

He's like Francis.

Will his Defense drop with the move?

Doubt it. I would think PG's would be as hard to guard as SGs. But I could be wrong.




Ellis B B B- B C B
SFr B- B- B A- C D

Ellis is a better scorer, but S Fr handles the ball and defends better. Ideally, I would love for Ellis in 1-2 years to be...

B inside, B outside, B+ handle, A- defense, C rebounding

Idealy, in two years, Carmelo will be...

A- Inside, B+ outside, C+ Handles, A- defense.

Can't really understand how you can say that Ellis will be a better overall player.  A guard should have better handles than a forward.  However, Anthony will still pick up 5-6 dimes at the SF spot.

You expect Carmelo to be A-, B+? That's 30ppg territory. Come on.

He's already at B+ B.  In two years, he can go up a slot in each category.  He's only 20 years old!

:) Good luck my friend. I hope for your sake that he goes to A+ A+