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Title: picks 1-5 done
Post by: PacersGM on January 23, 2008, 03:38:33 AM
Cavs Draft C David Robinson with pick #1 of round 1.
Magic Draft PG Kevin Johnson with pick #2 of round 1.
Grizzlies Draft SF Scottie Pippen with pick #3 of round 1.
Bulls Draft PG Kenny Smith with pick #4 of round 1.
Clippers Draft SG Reggie Miller with pick #5 of round 1. (comitee pick)


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: PacersGM on January 23, 2008, 03:40:36 AM
can?t understand why the magic picked another PG over Pippen.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: MagicGM on January 23, 2008, 03:59:27 AM
I was expecting him to draft Pippen. oh well..

nevertheless, Kevin Johnson would be a baller.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: CelticsGM on January 23, 2008, 04:51:55 AM
YOU - WERE - EXPECTING - HIM - TO - DRAFT - PIPPEN  ????????
And thus did put DROb / KJ in your draft file ?

wow, amazing.
and i won't even talk about WHY you were expecting this, after DRob only is the 2nd best player (rating-wise) entering the draft in the last 10 seasons (behind only Sampson).


Well, don't worry.
Once you got a season or two exerience in these sim leagues you will find out how to prepare for a draft. One advice: ask. Ask the other guys, ask the commissioner, most of the time everyone will be helpful. And always remember, the rest of us has started playing in sim leagues too, so none of us was born "Master GM", so count this as part of the rookie learning process ...
 :bash:


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: CelticsGM on January 23, 2008, 05:00:13 AM
btw, on my list Kevin Johnson is the 5th best PG entering this draft.
(for the record, Mark, Kenny, Muggsy and Jose being the 4 ahead)

ok, I learned not to trust the formula always and everywhere, but it might have something to do with that B- handling and skinny frame that won't really make him a good defender at SG even if he develops a decent shot

(and since he was a career 49% shooter there's at least hope ... even if KJ won't be great behind the arc, only twice in his 12 seasons he shot better than 23% for treys)


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: MagicGM on January 23, 2008, 05:09:36 AM
YOU - WERE - EXPECTING - HIM - TO - DRAFT - PIPPEN  ????????
And thus did put DROb / KJ in your draft file ?

wow, amazing.
and i won't even talk about WHY you were expecting this, after DRob only is the 2nd best player (rating-wise) entering the draft in the last 10 seasons (behind only Sampson).


Well, don't worry.
Once you got a season or two exerience in these sim leagues you will find out how to prepare for a draft. One advice: ask. Ask the other guys, ask the commissioner, most of the time everyone will be helpful. And always remember, the rest of us has started playing in sim leagues too, so none of us was born "Master GM", so count this as part of the rookie learning process ...
 :bash:
:D



I would have to say, I made a mistake having KJ on top of Pippen on my list, but, hey, as I said, at least I know where Kevin Johnson is headed.

edit: removed the first 2 paragraphs. It might affect other players' stock.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: PacersGM on January 23, 2008, 05:13:22 AM
so you are telling us that Drob was on your list behind KJ and Scottie  :?


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: CelticsGM on January 23, 2008, 05:32:27 AM
*lol* now that would go too far !!!

what'S worrisome is that B- handling means he's either not a good passer or turns it over in bunches. And even 100 pot won't cure that easily.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: Str8westcoasta on January 23, 2008, 06:09:32 AM
Damn, I was hpoing Reggie would slip out of the top 5. Oh well, makes my choices easier at 6 & 7


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: CelticsGM on January 23, 2008, 06:16:19 AM
can?t understand why the magic picked another PG over Pippen.

another?

now KJ over Pippen is questionable, but KJ over a turnover machine with mediocre passing and at best average man defense is definitely not !


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: SixersGM on January 23, 2008, 06:22:56 AM
My gut feeling..

D-rob has awful potential. (told ya)
http://forums.ssbabasketball.com/index.php?topic=7750.0
 
Pippen has poor potential.

KJ has good potential.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: CelticsGM on January 23, 2008, 06:30:49 AM
even if Robinson has 40 true pot he should be selected over anybody. Hardly ever we had such a clear #1 like this season.


(btw, a very low true pot usually means the player doesn't improve a lot, maybe even loses a rating or two over the next 6-7 seasons. And I still can't see anybody else topping him by then)


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: PacersGM on January 23, 2008, 06:41:41 AM
well rob should be a 20 / 10 guy for the cavs and give you good defense. can?t see anyone else in this class who has the ability.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: NetsGM on January 23, 2008, 06:48:25 AM
First of all, Sixers never scouted DRob's potential.  We've been over that.

Second of all, if anyone takes anyone in this class over DRob because of potential, they're crazy.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: MagicGM on January 23, 2008, 07:06:54 AM
even if Robinson has 40 true pot he should be selected over anybody. Hardly ever we had such a clear #1 like this season.


(btw, a very low true pot usually means the player doesn't improve a lot, maybe even loses a rating or two over the next 6-7 seasons. And I still can't see anybody else topping him by then)
well, true. But IF Robinson had that type of potential it would be the same situation with Oscar Ferry. 


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: NetsGM on January 23, 2008, 07:18:48 AM
even if Robinson has 40 true pot he should be selected over anybody. Hardly ever we had such a clear #1 like this season.


(btw, a very low true pot usually means the player doesn't improve a lot, maybe even loses a rating or two over the next 6-7 seasons. And I still can't see anybody else topping him by then)
well, true. But IF Robinson had that type of potential it would be the same situation with Oscar Ferry. 

Oscar Ferry wasn't as good of a rookie as David is.  David has +4 ratings over Oscar as a rookie.  David is more comparable to Ralph Sampson, who just had a career year in his 4th year in the league and improved last TC.

What made you think Robinson has bad potential?  You didn't believe Sixers posts, did you?  you know you can check the transaction log of all GM's and find out whether they scouted anyone's potential.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: CelticsGM on January 23, 2008, 07:33:39 AM
Oscar Ferry ...... C   6'11"   238   18   A-   C-   C-   A-   C+   D
David Robinson .. C   7'1''   235   18   A-   C-   C-   A   B+   C

looks close, but in fact isn't

and Ferry wasn't bad, averaging 21ppg 9rpg and 1.5bpg with good defense over the first 6 seasons, had an AllStar berth, and played more than 10 seasons.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: GrizzliesGM on January 23, 2008, 07:43:37 AM
I am very, very excited to draft Pippen.  Kevin Johnson looks like a bad pick for the Magic as he already has a great pg.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: HawksGM on January 23, 2008, 08:49:04 AM
I am surprised by Magic pick and I am interested to see how DRob and Ewing co-exist underneath, might not be enough room in the paint for both of them.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: MagicGM on January 23, 2008, 08:58:08 AM
even if Robinson has 40 true pot he should be selected over anybody. Hardly ever we had such a clear #1 like this season.


(btw, a very low true pot usually means the player doesn't improve a lot, maybe even loses a rating or two over the next 6-7 seasons. And I still can't see anybody else topping him by then)
well, true. But IF Robinson had that type of potential it would be the same situation with Oscar Ferry. 

Oscar Ferry wasn't as good of a rookie as David is.  David has +4 ratings over Oscar as a rookie.  David is more comparable to Ralph Sampson, who just had a career year in his 4th year in the league and improved last TC.

What made you think Robinson has bad potential?  You didn't believe Sixers posts, did you?  you know you can check the transaction log of all GM's and find out whether they scouted anyone's potential.
because I scouted it :D


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: CelticsGM on January 23, 2008, 09:17:34 AM
ok, it took me 3 days but finally I understand you Sixers deal ...
 :lmao:


good job ... but still: bad pick.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: HornetsGM on January 23, 2008, 09:23:32 AM
I am very, very excited to draft Pippen.  Kevin Johnson looks like a bad pick for the Magic as he already has a great pg.

azario?

I don't think the Magic's pick is bad if he scouted the TP. I don't see any reason not to take the BPA when you're rebuilding, unless that position is completely saturated in the league.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: NetsGM on January 23, 2008, 09:51:32 AM
even if Robinson has 40 true pot he should be selected over anybody. Hardly ever we had such a clear #1 like this season.


(btw, a very low true pot usually means the player doesn't improve a lot, maybe even loses a rating or two over the next 6-7 seasons. And I still can't see anybody else topping him by then)
well, true. But IF Robinson had that type of potential it would be the same situation with Oscar Ferry. 

Oscar Ferry wasn't as good of a rookie as David is.  David has +4 ratings over Oscar as a rookie.  David is more comparable to Ralph Sampson, who just had a career year in his 4th year in the league and improved last TC.

What made you think Robinson has bad potential?  You didn't believe Sixers posts, did you?  you know you can check the transaction log of all GM's and find out whether they scouted anyone's potential.
because I scouted it :D

Robinson's potential would have to be in the 20's for Pippen to be an even comparable prospect IMO.  And he'd still be far superior to Johnson IMO.

I still don't understand why, if you thought Pippen was a better prospect than Johnson, you would put Johnson first.  Saying "I thought Pippen would go first" makes no sense when you have the second pick.  Why would you not just list your top 2 prospects in order?

BTW, I see a -$200 in the cavs bank log too.  I'm guessing he scouted David's potential, so we'll find out shortly whether it was truly as bad as Magic is saying it is.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: CavsGM on January 23, 2008, 12:46:31 PM
I'm not too happy about it, but it certainly wasn't low enough for me to even consider taking someone else, not even close.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: Str8westcoasta on January 23, 2008, 12:54:49 PM
Hey, if Raplh Sampson can get it done with his potential, DRob will be just fine!


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: NetsGM on January 23, 2008, 03:07:40 PM
Was Oscar Ferry the legendary prospect who looked like all-time great but went bust fast? Because even with terrible potential, that outcome was an anomaly - very rare. Robinson could improve 0 net grades in four years, hell, even lose 3/4 and still be in the running for an all-league team every one of them. As "no-brainer" as a pick can be imo.

And I for one don't really think the Johnson pick is that bad for the Magic, in context - though I'd probably have been inclined to pick Pippen myself. Azario is a nice looking player, but leaves a lot to be desired as a PG - that 1.5:1 a/to ratio needs to come down alot to be playable on a winning team, and PG and C are probably the two positions that are most crucial positions to be strong at during a rebuild.

I'd bet all my team bank money that KJ will end up with a better assist:ratio than Azario's after his first full year, and that will enable Magic to be more set at a key position moving forward.


Title: Re: picks 1-5 done
Post by: MagicGM on January 24, 2008, 02:20:05 AM
I am very, very excited to draft Pippen.  Kevin Johnson looks like a bad pick for the Magic as he already has a great pg.

azario?

I don't think the Magic's pick is bad if he scouted the TP. I don't see any reason not to take the BPA when you're rebuilding, unless that position is completely saturated in the league.
I understand where they're coming from especially with Kevin's handling.

Would I have picked Kevin Johnson over Scottie again, maybe. I know what I'm getting with KJ's potential.