SSBA

Drum roll please...

Carmelo Anthony
Alvin Schenk

FOR

Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Ivan Litwack
07 Celtics' 2nd rounder
08 Hawks' 2nd rounder

I know, I know, that is a mammoth of a contract that Z just recieved. So let it be, he will be "untradeable". He is easily one of the top five centers in the league, maybe top three, and I got him.

The only reason that I resigned the big guy was because this deal was in place.

Even though I have some PGs on my roster, Schenk will look to be the starter by next year.

Melo, at age 20, has very nice ratings, and should improve in training camp.  B inside, B outside and B defense is pretty impressive.

Litwack will fit nicely with Cleveland, and his club now has that premier post threat in the suddenly big Eastern Conference (Tanner, Shaq, Dalembert, Ferry, Curry/Griffin/Kaman, Magloire, Mihm).

I stay young and financially flexible.  (I still have over 13 million in cap after this deal)

Sonics agree, and are still building a winner.

Hm..

So you traded Z for Ray Allen.

Then ray allen for Carmelo and Kenyon.

Then Carmelo and your 1st for Z.

So in essence it's your 1st for Kenyon.

Not bad.

And I really like it for Seattle as well.  That mammoth contract wasn't good for rebuilding.  I love Carmelo and Schenk.

Oh yeah, I also remember that the PacersGM, I think it was him, predicted this deal after I gave out hints about my soon to be spectacular frontcourt. Good call.

Nicely done on both sides.

Z was bound to find his way back to Cleveland. I missed that inside presence when I traded him away, and had to have him back. This is where he belongs.  :)

Yeah, that's a nice, cute little frontcourt you have there.

;)

yea it was me. thanks for recognition. well done.

It's beautiful.

Maybe we could make a movie about it.

20 and 10 & 20 and 10. It's scary...

It rivals the best in the League.

god the east is stacked, frontcourt wise.

Sixers, Nets, Raptors, Cavs, Hawks, as well as guys I'm forgetting.

I still have you beat both defensively and on the boards, Cavs.  At both positions.

Barely. But your offense is no match.

Really?  I've got the best offensive player of the group.  I don't want 2 people trying to score 20 ppg in the low blocks.

Didn't you learn from your LeBron/Ray Ray experiment?  ;)

It's not about front courts, its about complete teams, bitches.

That's why I have my sights set on 65 wins.

Which is why I drafted Pettit, and added Battier and Daniels.

Best-starting-5-in-the-league.

Nice trade for both teams.  At one point I was trying to get Melo and Litwack from both of you guys, but this was a trade that helped you guys out more.

I'm glad I worked it out so I drafted Griffin instead of Diddle because the East is becoming stacked upfront.  Although not as good as some other teams I think my frontcourt can compete.

Martin is just as good as Okafor. A-, C- against A-, D. And the Allen/LeBron era failed because James flat out sucked. Probably because he was out of position.

You've got to be kidding me. Yours doesnt compare to mine.

And you don't have any depth. I have two legit starters as role players.

You don't got the depth, your best bench player is Eschmeyer or Murray... But your starting lineup alone makes you an elite team.

My team will be complete, no doubt. I think you may be forgetting a certain 19 year old phenom that I currently have at SG.

Actually Luisetti is 22, and hes not even that good...















 :wink:

Okafor scored more and did-so at a higher percentage.  I'd say he performed better offensively (ratings don't tell the entire story, I've seen really good players perform really poorly).

Raptors: you've got to be kidding me.  My starting 5 doesn't compare?

It's not about 5 guys trying to score the ball.  You only have 1 player in your starting lineup with more than a B+ defense.  I have as many A defenders as you have A-'s and B+'s combined.  You're starting frontcourt blocks less shots than Dalembert alone.  

Dalembert vs. Mihm: I'll take Dalembert any day of the week
Okafor vs. Boozer: I already made the choice.
Battier vs. Finley:  Finley's the better player, for this year.  Battier the perfect role player.
Pettit vs. Carter: Carter wins, but in a few years Pettit will be better.
Daniels vs. Cassell: Cassell wins, but not by much.  This will be a LOT closer when the season comes around I have a feeling.  Daniels is one of, if not the, best ballhandler in the league.

I'll give you 3 positions to my 2, but IMO 2 of those positions are close.

I'll give you the better starting 5 for this year, mine for the future.  But they are comparable.

You have me on depth, I'll give you that.  But I'm not done yet either.

And the only difference between Ostertag and Eschmeyer is minutes.

Rafael Arajuo.

LeBron ain't bad.  But until he improves his outside shooting I'd probably play him at SF, not SG.

Barring a good TC Pettit will put up more points than Bron, book it ;)

Whats the inside joke with Araujo?  I've seen him mentioned before

Heh, nothing.  The raptors just basically gave him away.

http://www.phillyarena.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=266&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=

Yeah, yeah, I gave him away for pretty much nothing.

Ok, Nets, yes, you're fairly accurate.

I'd take Daly over Mihm. But its close.

Okafor and Boozer are too close to compare.

Finley and Battier are also very close.

Carter is better than Petit for now.

Ellis and Cassell are both better than Daniels.

And Esch would never put up 12,10 and 2.5.

But hey, I hope we meet in the playoffs.

Pettit isn't the only one with A potential.

Okafor and Boozer too close to compare?  Disagree strongly there.

And I wouldn't take Ellis over Daniels.  But you have to say that since you traded one away to draft the other.

We're gonna have a nice rivalry for the next 2-3 years before half of your starting lineup needs a wheelchair.

Nor did I say otherwise.  I just said barring a large gain of ground in TC pettit will score more this year.  'Bron needs some outside shooting, bad.

BTW, I'll leave this thread here for us to argue, even though the trade's been processed for tonight (I'm not simming just yet, since some people are still sending in FA's).

And Bron will get that outside shooting, of that I'm sure. Overall I think he'll have ratings of B+, B+, B, A, C.

Eventually, yes.

About what I expect Pettit's ratings to be (B+, A-, B-, B+, C-) eventually.  Although 'Bron's obviously got him beat defensively.  It would take a miracle for Pettit to get up to more than an A-.

Yeah, we will have a great rivalry.

And I'm probably going to consider moving one of Boozer or Carter nexy year for more cap space.

But hey, I can't wait for the season to start. So I can show all you idiots that you were wrong about the 70-12 Raptors.

at least Wilt Chamberlain is out of the west now so i don't have to worry about him anymore

Seriously kings, what makes you think Z is wilt chamberlin. His number are not very good.

it's not the stats...he was havin some fukin unbeliveble nights, one game vs my team he was something like 44 points and 20 rebs!!? i'm glad i don't have to see that anymore. ok, if i go up against shaq and he do that to me, that's ok, i'm fine, but Z....i can't stand that

Zydrunas Ilgauskas (sim): 21.8 pts, 10.1 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 43.7% shooting
Wilt Chamberlain (career avg): 30.1 pts, 22.9 rebounds, 4.4 assists, 54% shooting
Big Z (real life): 17.3 pts, 8.7 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 46.2% shooting

Sounds a lot closer to Big Z in real life than Wilt Chamberlain in real life.

BTW, Big Z had a game of 35/18 this year.

Chamberlain averaged 50.4 pts, 25.7 rebounds in a year.

Also, one last time.

We go by ratings, not names.  Don't bitch about what a guy named Zydrunas Ilgauskas did, bitch about what a guy with his ratings did.

We're not trying to recreate the nba.  I don't know how many times I have to say this.  If we were, I wouldn't have drafted a hotel manager 2nd overall.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/features/1977535

well...you know me :)