SSBA

Jazz send:

1rst in 2024
1rst in 2026
Vandeweghe
$300

for

Herb Williams

The Grizzlies agree.

It looks like Williams has reached his prime and will be a 10-12 ppg scorer with a bad fg % but with great defense. But I want a better balance of scoring and defense and i think 2 first rounders will help me find someone or trade for someone. The cash doesnt hurt either.

I can afford to do this as I have three good centers left with Raul Doleac, Steve Johnson, Paul Maggette and a decent backup in Mel Turpin as well as 2 fa's i just signed.

I will really miss his shot blocking ability .

nice. two first rounders for 9/9 and a few blocks. if at least the rebounding numbers were there this would be a good one. so let's hope for the Jazz they'll stay out of the lottery

Can you make trade if you're over the hard cap?

He can because he is taking back less salary.

Shoot, the trade doesnt work because i receive to much salary.

The Grizzlies add Gavin Mitchell to the deal to make it work.

I agree and drop Embry

I needed to do something about Rivera's age and keeping a strong core of players, so I pulled out Williams which will help my strongly defensive frontcourt even more. The picks will be low first rounders hopefully, so williams was about the best impact player i could manage to pick up

not sure if i'd call him an "impact player"

he's a good defender, though certainly not a great one, who get's nice blocking numbers and above average rebounding (for a C+ rating), but makes practically no impact on the offensive end. ure he'll make an big upgrade over Rivera, but that tells more about Rivera than Herb.

(btw, I just took a look back at the Grizz 21 game win streak (and 25 of 26), and it's amazing how bad the competition at PF actually was (and it weren't the top opponent teams either). The best opponent he did face was Munson and he didn't exactly stop him)

So at least he can make sure some stiffs didn't post big numbers, and those 3+ blocks won't hurt either.
But from an impact player i'd expect more, especially facing the contenders ...

Well, unsurprisingly I like Herb a lot. So I think this trade is pretty even.

If Herb is as good as you make us believe, this trade is horribly onesided towards the Jazz.
That it's not, is simply a matter of Herb averaging around 8/6 (and 3 blocks) against better opponents.

But that you like Herb is just about as surprising as the next Artest melee, since ouy have a Herb cloe in Roy. Better defender for sure, equalon blocks, but even less effective offensively than Herb. Heck these two guy going at each other 1 on 1 would end in "first basket scored decides ... but maximum 24 minutes" ...
 :lmao:

Yeah, I was thinking about saying that I liked it a lot for the Jazz, but I didn't want another beatdown like I got in the Pistons/Hornets trade thread.  8)

Another thing i told the Jazz earlier was that I don't expect my team to seriously content for a championship this season and not for at least another 2-3 seasons. I wanted to trade Herb now while he is 27 and not 30 when he will lose much of his value.

Probably not surprisingly, I like Herb a lot too.  In fact, if I didn't get Munson, I was going to pursue him.

I think it's probably about fair.  Herb does have his weaknesses, but what he does he does extremely well.  We'll see how the two picks turn out.

Celtics: Now you can see i wasn't crazy asking your for 2 1rst rounders!

it depends on WHAT firstrounders.

The Kings pick has a good chance being lotto and with my aging team mine in '26 might as well.
The Jazz core with Bird/Theus/Dial (and now Herb) is just entering their prime, so lottery is highly unlikely.

Plus, each of my guys you asked for is a valueable rotation player, whereas Kiki is crap

Kings 1st will be top 3

No way.

never ever ever ever underestimate the crapiness of the cpu.
if you think Ivan was bad, wait for this season ...

:-/

You think the CPU will control the Kings for two seasons?

no, i think it will control the Kings for this season, then  a new GM will come in, try to win for a few sims, decide it's not possible with this mess of a team and break it up in favor of rebuilding.

Its a pretty talented team so if a new gm takes over then i'm sure he would enjoy running the Kings.

nice trade for the grizzlies...got the most out of herb

pretty talented?

they have a PG never topping 6ypg on average, with an A/TO ratio of 1.8/1
a good SG, their best scorer ... and playing the same position as their 2nd best player Scott.
a SF who vanishes against better opponents, career underachiever (and I had tried it for 3 seasons before too)
a backup PF starting (or a shooter who doesn't defend or rebound) ... though 35yr old Adams might solidify this position
and a C who underachieves. but in onlyhis 2nd season there's hope.

the cpu signed them 2PGs, another 3 SGs to add to their 2 starters at SG, and every minimum FA big man not taken by any other team.


but the more i look at it, that's a heck of a fun project to toy around with. but the cpu will fail ...

 :lmao:

I wanna say it was a good trade for both of us in our respective positions....I picked up some decent players with those low first rounders if you look at Thomas, Knight, and Richardson, but I'm not going to win with role-playing rookies every year filling up my holes. I have a nice core going for a few more years with Bird leading the way. Rivera and Uner are most likely gone after this season. I didn't care about Herb's lack of offensive ability, if you looked at my depth charts for 90% of the years except when Dial was the man, I've had outside focus. Now I have two of the top shot blockers and a top 10 rebounder in my frontcourt. I just need my big men to play defense, rebound, and block shots and that's just what I've gotten. When my guards shoot close to 40% from three, those extra possessions really count. Keep in mind Rivera was selected 2nd team All-defense a few years back, he's good for 12 rebounds and 2.5 blocks a game, what else would I want for my team that likes to jack the three.

I don't really see Theus as a core player...his ratings are kind of the gel that brings everyone else's game together, and is the guy who steps up when other people are having a tough night. I like starting him to D-up the opponent's starting guard, with Knight sparking some offense off the bench

As for Vandeweghe, yeah he wasn't going to amount to much other than a decent back-up at the 2 and 3, and I already have the scoring spark off the bench with Knight. I'll take a 3.5bpg big man any day over an underacheiving guard/forward. As for the picks, no need for picks when I'm not rebuilding, I don't want young guys getting significant minutes in the playoffs as it is, it's a bad omen for your team.

Next year I most likely do not have Rivera and I don't have Uner, Bird is my scorer, and keep in mind what Dial was doing before I picked up Toney and company in the past, he's capable of putting up numbers, but will sit back and role-play when needed which is why I like him so much.

This also helps my cap problems in the medium future, so that I'm not in cap trouble when i'm rebuilding post-Bird, the last thing i want this team to become is the real-life knicks with overpaid mediocre talent (aka Vandeweghe) just to do well enough to miss out on decent draft picks.

you are on target here, i like the trade for the Jazz a lot. Not because i think Herb is(or will be) so great, but because you gave so little.

Even if you did pick up some nice role players with later picks, as we've discussed in earlier years chances to find a starter or key backup past pick #20 are very slim.

So in fact Herb Williams, a top shot blocking and good defensive PF (= great role playing starter on any team not challenged offensively) just entering his prime years was traded for two mediocre picks, just about guaranteed non-lottery. Or, in other words, for a 20% chance (two picks with 10% chance each) to find a decent backup in the draft.

Hmmmmm ...
 :?