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My idea is to have everyone post their power rankings. Points will depend on how many teams you got it correctly. And at the end of the season, you check your own power rankings (to ease the job of the commish) and report how many GM points you made.

250GM points for all 30 teams (correct) with explanation for each.
200GM points for top 20 teams (correct) with explanation for each.
150GM points for all 30 teams without explanations.
100 Gm points for all 20 teams without explanations.

Its like a lazy way of betting for every game. This way, every GM would check the current rankings and root for what team to win and loose. They would also want to be aware of all the teams' changes and acquisition because their rankings might be affected by the change.This would also engage the GMs withing exchanging of opinions on why this team or that team was ranked higher than the other (everybody's got ego and pride). Its not an easy job to make an article and nobody wants to read an article of his own "hyped" team. This is the league's way of tempting everyone of write their own article of the teams in the league. And I think many people would do it because of the GM points.

*The rankings can be made weekly. And the rewards can be rewarded for every correct team in the ranking (i.e 10GM points for every correct team if 30 teams bet, 5 GM points for every 20 teams bet).

And if you think that the GM points is "too much", just think of it like gambling. What are the chances that everyone gets the correct combination? 

Another points system can be like this.

1GM points for every correct team. And the power rankings would be posted per week.

So lets say you got the 30 teams correct for the whole season, you will have 360GM points at the end of the season. This way, everyone would be active weekly. Every GM would be given their own thread. And every GM would report how many GM points he earned during that week.

how about do it weekly? if we wait until the season ends...it would be too long...

I think that weekly would be a better idea. Im just not sure with the point system. 1-2GM points seems to be fair.

I personally never liked the idea of getting GM points for articles, or anything of the sort.  I don't think you should be able to improve your team merely by writing about SSBA.  Power Rankings are better than just articles, but still suffer from the same general problem, IMO.

Besides, articles does not equal activity.  I care that people are online managing their team.  If people aren't posting on the forums, that's not my biggest concern.

well...id like to read some articles...it has been quite some time since the last article :) power ranking would spark some conversation  :D it has been to silent here in SSBA

Personally, I wouldn't be too interested in creating a lengthy article every week.

I'd much rather just continue to post DC's, check PM's and monitor team progress.

I'm currently dual-enrolled in a doctoral and master's program...I do what I can on this site, but if we make it too involved, me and others may be forced to drop out. Although I do not post too often, I still consider myself active. I keep up with my DC's, free agency, and the draft, and I make a trade roughly once every 2 seasons. I feel I get back to PMs in a decent time frame. If this isn't enough then let me know and I'll get out, but I enjoy being a part of this and hope to continue for some time to come.

Thats why I'm suggesting being rewarded for posting a Power Ranking. Its much easier than creating an article. It's so easy, I can create one right now. :D

You can create a power ranking of only top 3 teams. And if you were right next sim. You can get 3 Gm points for those 3 correct teams. Its that easy.

Its like posting DC, but in this case your not just minding your own team, but for the whole league in general. You don't have to check all the boxscores, you just have to guess. Its like gambling.

Same here..

We and the HeatGM are currently doing our Architectural Thesis. We are so occupied. All I can do is give 5 mins of my time to check the boxscores and posting DCs. It's just sometimes when I checked in, i feel like its a ghost city here. I don't know if its because that GMs are bored with the rosters and we need to restart all over the entire league or we need some "fun" thing to do in order to make some noise.

You won't be obligated to post power ranking every sim. Its just 1-2GM points per correct team, and it would take a lot of right "betting" from the teams to left your team in GM points. Lets say we set a standard of 1GM points per correct team and a power ranking of 10 teams per sim. If you got it all correct for the entire season, you'll just win 120GM points. It's just 120 GM points. Plus, we might propel some conversations about the teams in this league.

Lets say we set a standard of 1GM points per correct team and a power ranking of 10 teams per sim. If you got it all correct for the entire season, you'll just win 120GM points. It's just 120 GM points. 120GM points per season won't allow you to have "God like" powers to help your roster, IMO. Its just a little incentive for being involved in the league. It's just my opinion. Anyway, I agree with you that at the end of the day, all i care about is that people are online managing their teams. So, whether you implement this idea or not, its fine for me.

Anyway this is my top 10 for next sim. Let's see how many correct teams i'll earn. :D

1.) Hornets
2.) Pacers
3.) Warriors
4.) Celtics
5.) Nets
6.) Bucks
7.) Grizzlies
8.) Nuggets
9.) Mavs
10.) Heat

I don't think awarding GM points for activity / writing articles is a bad thing at all, bods. It keeps people's interest up, creates more fun for everybody, and just because some GMs don't like to participate doesn't mean nobody else should.

It's not like you can earn a fortune that way
(but hey, if you can get more GMpts for searching a potential, wouldn't that be fair for extra activity?)



Just one thing I don't like: a BETTING system, where you are awarded for getting results or rankings right. I'd leave it strictly for articles.

Or neither.  It could be that people are very active, just not displaying it the way you think it should be displayed.  If people are still active, still doing what they can to improve the team, I don't think you have to either start the league over, or make noise.  I think your assessment is just off.

So who decides what is the correct top 10?  Especially early in a season where uneven schedules can create havoc with won/loss records?  How do we decide tie breakers?  Why should the half dozen or so who want (or have the time) to post rankings earn extra points?

IMO the GMs here are mostly active.  Posting rankings won't get those who have limited time more involved.  In some ways all it does is create more threads for them to read in their limited time on the site.  Posting power rankings won't stimulate more trade activity.  It won't make those who miss DC deadlines to all of a sudden start posting them.  

If you want to stimulate a lot of activity then throw all the teams into a pool and reassign GMs.  Then every one will have new teams with new ideas about how to rework them.  GMs have built teams that they are, for the most part, happy with.  

Speak for yourself  :bash:

no Magic?

seems to me that the league is pretty active

Yeah.  I think that's evident by some of the great debates we've had on the HOF board.

Nets kick Celtic a$$.

Agree with Derek/Hornets. Plenty of good activity here - there are times when there's a million things on the go, the past 1/2 season for example - and it's real good, spirited stuff.

come on.. if we're not talking about the magic in any list. then you're missing somethinng.. teehee..

He posted the only Magic that mattered, the one on the Nuggets  :moon:

Magic stinks and will never play on a winning team.  Or so I've been told.

Its true, no one could ever make the playoffs, let alone almost win their division, with him leading their team.

this is definitely not a very active league at this point, and I'd guess that much of that is because they do not have any connection with the made up players.  My roster has all made up players (except for Sabonis whose ratings do not represent the true player at the age he is in the game).  Nothing is exciting because they are fake.  Early on, there is a certain amount of pride when you get KG, or DWade, or whoever because you are fans of the real player.  This also works, to a lesser degree, with realistic legends.

After 16 or 17 seasons (however many it's been), I think it's high time you just restart things.  That makes it easier to get and keep new gms.
Having sims every day or every other day also helps.

Another thing that I've seen that helps activity (and rewards it) is a more involved self-reporting point system.  For example, in one of the other leagues I was in, we could claim reward points every time a player hit certain statistical marks for a game and for a season.  We got points for a player who did the following in a single game: 10 assists, 10 rebounds, 20, 30, 40, and 50 points (different amounts), 5 steals, 5 blocks, triple doubles, and other things like that.  We got other points for players who averaged certain marks for the whole season (like 20 ppg, 10 rpg, 10 apg, 2.5 spg, 2.5 bpg, various shooting percentages and things like that).  What kept us active was that we had to look at box scores and post our points ourselves (along with links to the associated box scores).
These points could then be used to modify player contracts, ratings, etc.
If you have any questions, let me know.

also, though it may be more realistic as is, I think when people post trade offers in the trade blocks it keeps posts up (so people are actively posting), and keeps interest up in reading the boards.  It is always interesting what people will offer for players and how to better make counter offers.

Again, this is less realistic, but it keeps people reading the boards and posting... therefore they are more active.
I usually come on here and see that there is nothing new, so I leave.

Were you referred by KingsGM by chance?

I highly doubt all of the original guys in here are going to want to just restart things when a noob tells them to (no offence meant, but honestly...)

It's not a realism thing that people don't post them publicly, it's that it's putting yourself at a disadvantage.

If I go and put Barkley up on the block, and I conduct all my discussions in public, everybody knows what my best offer is, and what they have to beat.  If I'm doing it privately, nobody knows what the best offer is, and I can try to bargain them into making a better offer (and then they can call my bluff as well). 

The activity of this league, IMO, is measured through private chats.  When I PM someone, and they don't respond for days, then I start to worry.  That's the level of activity I'm looking to keep up.

It should also be noted that I am in 4 leagues including this one, and the DC rate is the best in this league out of all of them.

This may be true, and you certainly have the right to ignore what I say.  However, not everyone here is an old timer, and the longer the league goes, the harder it will be to find and keep noobs like me.  Slowly but surely originals drop out for various reasons, and it sure is hard to keep a good league going with 12-15 gms.
I'm a sim league vet and I've seen this same thing happen every time once a league's been going for a while.  Whenever the league is restarted, things pick up.

Lastly, someone brought up the point that many of the old timers have their teams how they like them.  What fun is that?  IMO, the fun thing with sim leagues is all of the trades and changes.  In other words, it's the journey, not the arrival.  When more people are dissatisfied with their teams, there is more trade talk, and more trades.  That, IMO, makes it more fun.
Whether we restart or not, I plan to stick around.  I just think it would revitalize the league (which, I believe, was the purpose of this topic).

I think the influx of real retro players into the drafts keep the fun going.

That is definitely true.  But that is only from the perspective of the team trying to get the deal.  For the team that has the player on the trading block, having the offers public may allow you to get more for your player than PMs would because bidding wars often arise.  So it can benefit you on one side, but hurt you on the other.  The 2, therefore, pretty well balance out.

It takes both people benefiting for anything to make sense.  If it screws me to go public with discussions, why would I voluntarily go public?

If you're saying we should force users to do everything in public, that will likely never happen.

I agree... I'm sure it won't. 
Just an idea that could help maintain some interest on the board.

This is the best sim league I have been a part of. I used to think that lots of trading and articles meant that a league is active. But after being in this league for a few years (3 years?), I agree with the Pistons that if am happy if people respond to pm's, submit depth charts, and make competitive moves. This league has all of that along with a bunch of dedicated GM's. It used to be that leagues I joined would fold after just a few months, but not this one. This league shows no signs of slowing down and i like the rules and systems we have in place now, as they have been working for years along with some necessary changes. :D

This is the best league ever imo, and probably the only one in history of FBB with such a long history of long-term GMs (Ive been here for 3 years but i still remember i was on waiting list for months and following this league since the beginning), i guess that basically some 20 GMs here are since the league started. And that tells a lot about this league. Not to mention that this league is is not like other 549083, which are full of kids, newbies, etc. If nothing, this is the best league ever considering GMs. And i really never felt inactivity here, it just these league is different from other leagues, things are done in different ways here, but activity has always been high here. Maybe not on boards but most of you know what i mean.

I don't think there's inactivity - often you get out what you put in, in terms of effort. Very knowledgeable GMs, smart debates. Great place to be.

i think all of us are so competitive, everybody wants to win and a majority of the most active GM's win, so they don't make too many moves, but every once in a while you'll see some of the better ones blow it up for the challenge of re-building quickly.

Stealing a bit from the Sixers -- one thing that might keep things interesting during playoff time, since so many teams have to sit it out, is an SSBA tourney pool. Maybe a $20 entry fee, winner take all.
(just as long as I don't have to run it  :))

EDIT: and maybe we can award the person who runs it some $ from the pool, to give that person some incentive to do it.


But I dislike the idea of articles for $

I like Hornets idea of a tourney pool.  A good way to win some cash and have fun for those that are in the playoffs and not in the playoffs.

Yup, I like that Idea..

I like the tourney pool idea alot too...and would be more than happen to run it starting next season if thats what we all agree on

we done forgot bout this

Oh well, maybe next season.