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Kings trade

Sydney Moncrief
Purvis Short
Kings 2025 1st
$650


Celtics trade

Orlando Wooldridge
Antonio Lenard


Kings agree.

Celtics agree.

Yeah, I know Orlando is young, has a ton of potential and will probably be a star, but Lenard is old and not capeable of fulltime starting anymore. So I get two starters for one, and since Tyler/Moncrief can cover for Purvis' weak defense I hope this benefits my team.

If not I still have the Kings lotto pick now.

what a rape by the kings. no way that the pick will be a lotto. with orlando he covered his biggest weakness and his team is young enough to improve till 025. in the wide open west he will be in the POs for sure in the next years.
And calling purvis a starter has to be joke. i would take lenard 10 times over short.
moncrief is not even close to orlando in production. at least the celtics should have tried orlando at SG before trading him away for weaker players with horrible contracts.

Good job ivan.

This is such a awesome deal for me.I can't belive i finally got my hands on Orlando whom i've tried to get for numbers of times. And it's really a great price. I like Moncrief but with # of SG's i have one of them had to go. Purvis was a guy i was planing to buy out anyway and would've barely crack my rotation + that pick is going to be worthless off course. So it's basically Moncrief for Orlando which is just phenomenal.

Now my lineup is set for years and probably good to be a top 5 team in the West this year as well.

Sleepy Floyd
Andrew Toney
Orlando Wooldridge
Thurl Bailey
Benoit Benjamin

I like this core and most importantly i'm going to be a player again in this upcoming FA.

 :lol:...yeah, good luck with that.

:lol: yea my 025 pick has more chance to be lotto than the kings.

Kings have a chance to move among the elite of the West....surpassing Warriors for the most intriguing young team in the conference.

Finally all coming together.

I don't think it is a horrible trade either way, but the description of Short as a starter scares me a bit.

I'd take a SF with B+ inside over a one with A outside any day of the week...

we'll see guys, we'll see.

Problem with Orlando is that he vanishes in big games and has been inconsistant at best so far in his career.  For every 25pt game you get two 10pt games on 2-17 shooting. Defense? Look elsewhere. I doubt there's a "star player" in this league that has more opponents shoot 50+%. Maybe he will get it one day, but i've been living with him unerachieving 4 seasons now, and i'm glad it's none of my worries from now on.

Oh, and our opinions vary on Purvis too. I think it's (an 8 year younger) Lenard all over again, just with an outside shot, and that's enough for me. You need scorers in this game, and he could be just that. A #1 option to fill up the stat sheet. Just because the Kings didn't use him right doesn't mean it can't be done.

(and anyone holding the King to 1-9 shooting can't be that bad defensively too.
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Again, I get two starters entering their prime, a first, cash and give up some untapped potential ...
 8)

ouch

good analysis. headaches already ?

if someone is calling purvis a younger lenard that has to cause some.
If purvis ever avg. 30 a year i will give you a second rounder for free :lol:

If I remember right as of last trade deadline Kings could pay someone $200 to take Short off him.

*couldn't pay someone

Well, while I wouldn't go so far as to call this a "rape," I think that giving up Woolridge for Purvis and Moncrief, who are both overpaid, imo, is a mistake.
The $ will be helpful and the pick could be decent, judging from the Kings' past few seasons, so that evens things out a little.

I'll come back to you on that one.

btw, if Lenard ever averaged 30 for me (neither he did for you or Raptors), I might have a ring now ...
... and he might not only have a title as well, but more than one POTW honor in his entire career (and a POTG for every 10th game he played, mostly as #1 option)

Hornets, I agree with you.

They are a tad overpaid, like many. But (in my plans) they are starters, so paying a starter 10-15mill isn't the worst thing to do (heck, i know a team paying 3 starters 67 mill combined, and it has as many wins as me ...)

Right now all 29 teams have the same number of wins.   :lmao:

has to wait till day 41. Lenard was signed on day 181.

Daamit...Tom you got any other filler so we can complete this deal now?

Tom, you better cut some of that trash you're collecting on your team to make that roster spot.

would that be allowed, commissioner(s) ?

adding a FA pickup now to make part 1 of the deal working (Orlando+filler/Moncrief) and only have part 2 waiting for day 41.

Yes, i don't see a problem with that.

We can make 2 seperate deals.

Deal 1 that we can do now

Moncrief for Orlando + filler (some FA filler for 1 milion)

Deal 2 on day 41

Short + pick for Lenard

guys, take it easy on him, it's probably not his fault.
we hardly have any influence what education system we're put in, we have to take whats there.

Of course he's aware that 10mill is nowhere within 15% of 12mill. I guess he probably wouldn't even need a pocket calc for that. So of course he means Purvis/filler for Lenard.

Forgive him ...

yeah, yeah, whatever. just get this done, you know what i meant.

no, i want a ruling first and then I decide what to do.

(if i had a roster spot open, no problem, but cutting someone is not something i will do easily)

Off course, who'd cut a 67th pick in the 3rd round with C+ defense?

I mean, seriously, we're talking about some of the top prospects here...

it's not your business, i guess, who i consider prospect/project/crap.

and after hearing from all sides how terribly onesided that deal is, most fellow GMs think it can't be in my best interest to get it done as quickly as possible, and losing another prospect on top in the process, right ?

Well, I think Moncrief is probably just as good as Woolridge...
And Short could be a great 6th man...

i would allow to seperate this deal if both gms can work out a new deal.

now it's up to Ivan

This is what happens when you give a total scrub like Isiah Lettner a 4 year contract.

My oh my...you're worst then that Sonics guy from djsl.

... who has assembled a team now you would KILL to have.

well too bad you didn't.

well...did you find which superstar you're going to cut or use as a filler?

Celtics and Kings decide to split the trade into two parts (using fillers)

trade 1 (completed now):
Celtics trade
Orlando Woolridge
Charles Lavalley

Kings trade
Sidney Moncrief
$650

trade 2 (waiting till day 41):
Celtics trade
Antonio Lenard

Kings trade
Purvis Short
Quentin Brand
Kings 2025 1st

The one that's currently 4-9?  :) (not that I can talk, I'm 1-12 now)

make that 1-14  :?... and just one year removed from the ECF, and a couple years removed from the championship

yup, that one that's on a mission to prove you can miss the playoffs with a team of Shaq, Kamp, Payton, Cheeks, Coleman, and Gumbley. Seven "A" defenders, one "A+", 4 of them capeable of averaging 20+ppg. (If he hadn't traded away Bird, Kenny Smith and Eaton he would probably win 70 games, so it will be 55)

But of course, with like 6 top3 picks in three years it's not hard ...

Surreal, in fact ...
:-)

trade will be done since kingsgm send me his approval through pm.

yeah i agree.


pacers, i edited my DC

i dont think shorts can be a starter... if he's given minutes to play...he'll probably average around 12ppg...  if he's vince keogan that can score 30ppg il probably start him...but if he doesn't have a decent Defense...i'l probably wouldnt..IMO

well, that was all said BEFORE I found a 25ppg starter WITH defense.
:-)

well trade has to wait till day 51 since brand was signed on day 184.

great. would have been ZERO problem for the Kings to cut Brand and sign another filler for the trade.

see, such shit happens when you wait till the last second to put through trades ...
:-(

that is the dumbest argument i ever heard. it isn?t my task to check if a trade is valid. My task is too put the trade into the FBB. You should know better than anyone how much time it costs to check every trade if it can be done according to the rules.
At least one time don?t accuse everyone else for faults you made.

I know how much time it takes (2 minutes when cuts and signings are involved, 1 minute otherwise) and since our league averages 1.7 trades per sim (not counting sim 12, playoffs and the seasons end) you can do the math ...

agreed, it's not your responsibility, but it could have been avoided probably. I know it's just a minor deal, but that would be very kind of you.


(and this might be the opportune time to make a petition for an extra trade deadline effort from the league commissioner: PLEASE check agreed-to trades BEFORE the deadline actually occurs, so people could re-do those. Sometimes we're to blind to see the obvious, and it's horrible finding out on day 110 ! Thanks in advance ...)

well you have to be a master of this. since i need at least 5 mins to check transaction page or check the sals etc.
and again it would take maybe 10 mins on your side to check it as well.
Again i won?t give you an advantage by checking the trade before the deadline. If you made a fault live with it.

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I'm sorry, but why should the commish have to spend more time to check the transactions page before he runs the sim because you couldn't?  Why should he have to come back and consistently check the trades forum every hour of every day so he can check their validity and notify you in time?  When did this become a 24 hour a day, 7 day a week job?  Why can't you check agreed-to trades BEFORE THE DEADLINE OCCURS to make sure they work?  What extra tools does the commissioner have access to that you don't have to verify trades work?

If both teams don't check that a trade works, then both teams are at fault if it doesn't get done before the deadline.  Neither team has a right to cry about it.  And it's not the commissioners fault if it doesn't get done.  It's not his responsibility.

I've never heard, in any league, where it's the league's job to make sure beforehand that a trade is valid.  That's your responsibility.  Period.  Especially for veteran GM's

I totally agree. When my trade didn't go through because the FAs didn't make enough for it to go through, I didn't complain about it, I apologized to the commish for wasting his time.

you're right ... and I'm wrong
I'm sorry for attacking PacersGM with stuff that's my fault only. Doesn't show a lot of responsibility, if any, from my side ...
:-(




(and one of these days I will get over Orlando-gate, i'm sure ...)

@bods thanks for the words of wisdom.

i was really wondering what kind of motivation TOM had to insist that i had to check his trades.
i never remembered him doing that in his own league either.

Pacers - unrelated question...the day 51 trades will be processed before the next sim right?

i'm sorry to cause trouble, and i appologize for that.

but it's not fair playing short memory now. In my league, when i see new trades that are agreed upon I check those without making much fuss about it ... unless there's a problem, then i talk to the trade partners. I even upheld sims for a day or two because of that, just for the convenience of players, even if you can't remember that.

yes, lets not forget we're PLAYERS, it's a GAME here, nothing that can/should be legally enforced in REALITY. Nobody ever made a big deal if some delay happened because of that, nobody complained being treated unfairly because OTHERS were granted an exception to a deadline or a incomplete deal. And not just in DJSL, but in most other leagues i've been in, too. Sometimes I wonder why ...

And remember that for the commish, too.

Unless you want to start up a donation so he can have a salary.

This is already a VERY demanding job.  Asking him to make it more demanding so you don't have to spend the 2 minutes to check is unfair IMO.

ok, let's leave it at that.

And let's get to the fun part: PLAYING the game ...
 :cheers:

yey!  : :bounce: